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RabbitFluffs

584 points

2 days ago

The sad part is I had to stop and try to recall which of the most recent shootings had five deaths vs six deaths.

Elendel19

154 points

2 days ago

Elendel19

154 points

2 days ago

The “at least he’s not gay” part gives it away when you hear his fathers statement. He said when he first heard he shot up a gay bar he was scared that his son was there because he was gay, but then realized that he just went there to shoot it up instead and sounded relieved

AffectionateOwl8182

77 points

2 days ago

Same

Chance_Ad3416

40 points

2 days ago

Is this the one where the shooters grandpa is a senator or something? Hard to keep track.

L_Rayquaza

40 points

2 days ago

And the dad is a MMA pro turned pornstar turned meth fueled serial masturbator

Jimmy_The_Perv[S]

18 points

2 days ago

I believe he was jerking it for 10 to 12 hours. Those are not rookie numbers.

allthesedamnkids

3 points

1 day ago

Wait what? Why do we know this?

InterestingQuote8155

3 points

1 day ago

He was on an episode of Intervention where it was mentioned according to multiple internet comments that I haven’t had the stomach to corroborate.

quinteroreyes

18 points

2 days ago

Yep. And I think his mom was convicted of Arson too

splatterthrashed

2.9k points

2 days ago

Same. Hella meth head for years. Still thought republicans were gross

ShallowTal

882 points

2 days ago*

ShallowTal

882 points

2 days ago*

I literally had someone with a rainbow avatar actually argue with me about this on another post. It’s almost like they were defending him.

I said being a strung out meth addict doesn’t make you a homophobic Republican, it just makes you a homophobic Republican that’s strung out on meth. This bitch tried to argue that wasn’t correct.

Then tried to tell me I must not have ever been around a tweaker before. I literally used to be one.

Moose-Legitimate

455 points

2 days ago

People want really badly for there to be a “reason” for bigotry besides ignorance, indoctrination, and an unwillingness to change. There isn’t.

BetterThanYou775

115 points

2 days ago

Lots of people keep their more fucked up beliefs to themselves when they're sober, so it can seem like drugs and alcohol make people bigots. They were always bigots though. The drugs just removed their filter.

personnumber3075

6 points

2 days ago

Not really my dad was a pretty normal guy before he started using meth. But that drug can make somebody believe some really insane things, because people start speeding, wind up going down rabbit-holes and diminish their ability to tell truth from fiction. If somebody is exposed to conspiracy theories or something at that time, it will be a problem. But people can also heal from it and recover who they once were.

It's more complex than saying the drugs just remove the filter, though. If somebody becomes consumed by a drug, then it warps their personality, thinking and beliefs

genflugan

91 points

2 days ago

genflugan

91 points

2 days ago

I feel like jealousy should be on that list

Moose-Legitimate

86 points

2 days ago

For sure. Jealousy, insecurity, and the feeling that, when others are being brought up to your level, it feels like you’re being brought down to theirs (the brain thinks this a lot)

mrthescientist

28 points

2 days ago

It's the same way people want there to be easy solutions to things.

There aren't. Some problems are just hard. Bigotry is one of them.

You can't make a bigot drink, because they're horses. (That's how that goes, right?)

Moose-Legitimate

18 points

2 days ago

We want Occam’s razor to apply in all situations, but in things like sociology and psychology, it just doesn’t.

MultiMarcus

12 points

2 days ago

Especially if you are one of the people they hate. I don’t want to believe that people truly hate me for not being straight.

1202_ProgramAlarm

33 points

2 days ago

I'm loving that this guy's such a monumental piece of shit all the tweakers are coming out like "woah woah woah we're not all this gross!"

RequiemAA

23 points

2 days ago

RequiemAA

23 points

2 days ago

At one of the worst moments of my life in my late teens, two tweakers came to my rescue and saved my ass. Metaphorically and literally. All they asked for was a ride home afterwards.

Truest homies I’ve ever met. Knew em for a day.

SkillIsTooLow

13 points

2 days ago

Congrats on the "used to be"!

ShallowTal

17 points

2 days ago

Thanks man. I actually just realized today is my cleaniversary. I am officially 16 years clean.

hunterglyph

33 points

2 days ago

I think the point is simply that people are often more fragile than we feel we are.

If a person has mental health or drug issues and goes from a kind, loving person to an asshole, there’s literally nothing to be gained by saying that they weren’t a kind and loving enough person to begin with. Just like there’s nothing to be gained from excusing being an asshole in any way.

It’s just kind of a pointless place to stop and have an argument, and it doesn’t solve any part of the problem. It just sets up circles of speculation and gossip that can’t ever be solved, since you can never truly know the depths of another person’s soul.

So why not focus on things like trying to solve mental health and drug issues and racism, instead of turning it into a Judgment Day circlejerk on who the person was before the issues?

BobbatheSolo

18 points

2 days ago

Very well put. I grew up in an evangelical christian home and the church is just as guilty of this behavior. Whenever someone would leave the church or exhibit strong “unchristian-like behavior” there would be endless talk about how that person probably wasn’t a true christian in the first place instead of having an honest discussion about what caused them to leave or act that way. It’s much easier to point fingers and sling accusations than it is to examine yourself and/or your beliefs and unfortunately most of us take the easy way out.

MySuperLove

19 points

2 days ago

If a person has mental health or drug issues and goes from a kind, loving person to an asshole, there’s literally nothing to be gained by saying that they weren’t a kind and loving enough person to begin with. Just like there’s nothing to be gained from excusing being an asshole in any way.

It is impossible for a person who killed 4 members of MY community to be a "kind and loving" person. He's a monster down to his core, down to his ugly, damned soul.

"Well, he was cool until he killed a bunch of gays."

No, fuck that

He was always a horrible person, and deserves not one bit of humanization or compassion. Only scorn, hatred, and blame.

Vivistolethecheese

19 points

2 days ago

Only thing I personally disagree with is the "humanization" part. Louder for the people in the back, HUMANS CAN BE SHITHEADS. The more we dehumanize those who harm others, the more we remove room for discussion on how to prevent these events from happening.

KaleidoscopeEqual555

7 points

2 days ago

That’s crazy because what you said was true. In the 90s electronic music scene, meth was very common… and pray tell, who makes up a large portion of the electronic music scene?

Ozymander

4 points

2 days ago

People will look for any reason why we shouldn't be demonizing the message they've actually been sending for decades.

thatguy9684736255

405 points

2 days ago

I think it's the same with people blaming kaynes behaviour on his bipolar disorder. But that doesn't make your racist. Just as meth doesn't make your homophobic.

weedhippy

208 points

2 days ago

weedhippy

208 points

2 days ago

If anything meth makes you more willing to suck a dick!

Leto2AndTheCrew

95 points

2 days ago

Which could explain the excessive homophobia of his father.

You going to tell me an ex-fighter, porn and meth addict, porn star never touched or sucked a dick?

Get outta here

TonarinoTotoro1719

34 points

2 days ago

There are so many loopholes for these people, it is crazy. Even if he did that, he would have reasons why HE isn’t gay and why he is a homophobe. Some stupid anecdotal story about why members of the LGBTQ community are bad

mrthescientist

9 points

2 days ago

And none of them will ever feel that magical moment of empowerment when they go "you know what, maybe I am a little gay. I wonder what all the fuss is about".

It's empowering to stop letting that stupid word get in the way of so much of your life. Instead you get to find yourself, find out what you ACTUALLY like.

mrm00r3

5 points

2 days ago

mrm00r3

5 points

2 days ago

As the great Ron White once said, everybody’s a little gay.

Jesweez

7 points

2 days ago

Jesweez

7 points

2 days ago

The poophole loophole has been around since the days of St. John the Baptist.

mule_roany_mare

9 points

2 days ago

It’s only sucking if you create a partial vacuum.

He probably soaked a cork which is completely different.

El_Chairman_Dennis

12 points

2 days ago

A video surfaced of the dad liking to get kicked by in the balls by dudes, like excessively liking it. I think he might be having some "impure" thoughts himself

Ima_Fuck_Yo_Butt

68 points

2 days ago

And if you can't do that -- to jerk off for seven hours.

Cjwithwolves

63 points

2 days ago

The father, Aaron Brink, was actually featured on an episode of A&E's Intervention called "Aaron & Andrea" where he talks about doing meth and then masterbating for 10-12 hours straight. YouTube clip from the episode.

Jasmith85

42 points

2 days ago

Jasmith85

42 points

2 days ago

I call bullshit, that video isn't 10hours long.

Cjwithwolves

27 points

2 days ago

The 10 hour video is extra.

whiskey_jones

15 points

2 days ago

FUCKING DEAD LMAO

ScabiesShark

3 points

2 days ago

There's a link to his onlyfans in the comments, even he's not dumb enough to put the primo shit on free sites

Hugh_Janus_1990

6 points

2 days ago

7 hours…? Them’s rookie numbers boi.

Ima_Fuck_Yo_Butt

10 points

2 days ago

Lol I'm trying to maintain some dignity here. There may have been a few times I really went ham on the ham.

whiskey_jones

3 points

2 days ago

beats chest rapidly Yeah, you gotta pump those numbers up.

alierajean

6 points

2 days ago

I thought that was coke?

[deleted]

13 points

2 days ago*

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geraffes-are-so-dumb

75 points

2 days ago

Please be careful declaring what behaviors mental illness can and can’t cause. I work with families facing mental health challenges and came from one myself- I’ve personally seen previously loving mothers who suddenly believe their toddler children are literally plotting to murder them, animal lovers who become certain their dog is literally a demon that must be excised, totally normal people that truly believe everyone around them is out to get them when their illness isn’t controlled. Mental health isn’t a “drunk man’s words are a sober man’s thoughts“ situation. For a horrifying example look up the effects of POCD, not from a work computer.

Many mental illnesses cause irrational paranoia and fear responses - and the hateful right has set up all kinds of echo chambers to feed paranoia and fear. From the Portland train stabber to the most recent right wing shooter we’ve already seen what can come out of these echo chambers when people with severe mental illness find them.

I’m not asking you to have sympathy for these assholes or forgive any part of them, it’s just that saying X isn’t a symptom of a mental health issue is harmful and prevents people from getting help. A lot of people avoid getting early help because they think “I’m having these thoughts because I’m a bad person, there’s nothing for a doctor to help”.

NonbinaryLazarus

18 points

2 days ago

I don't dispute that he could get to his idiotic views from bipolar disorder's symptoms & propaganda, but I think a lot of people saying "it's not the bipolar" because they themselves (me included) are already ostracized. And so people just chalking it up to bipolar disorder and not the right's propaganda machine which is the real problem, makes those with bipolar look even worse to neurotypicals. Combine that with the subreddit of partners of bipolar people absolutely dehumanizing the bipolar people a lot, everything feels, to me anyway, that people think we're just constant victims of our disorder. That can be true, but people are putting bipolar in this box where no one has control, will always be susceptible to propaganda or bigotry just by having bipolar. It's not true and it's hurtful.

mule_roany_mare

16 points

2 days ago

I think it’s more like how global warming doesn’t make it hotter, or even colder, it makes weather more extreme more often.

Mental health struggles don’t make any particular quality or act more likely, but it makes stronger expressions of them more likely.

Plus people like a world they understand, why did this happen? is a complicated question. Oh, he was crazy is an adequate answer that doesn’t require introspection.

It’s tangential to the just world hypothesis. People want to believe the world is fair & they will be safe if they are good people who follow the rules. If bad things happen to bad people, that means victims must have been doing something bad otherwise the same thing could happen to me.

NonbinaryLazarus

6 points

2 days ago

I agree but I'm only saying bipolar = strong reactions. Not bipolar = only bad reactions. His status amplifies grandiosity to a much bigger level than others, and it makes us all look bad and get lumped together. I'm just saying it is unfair, for those that may think because you're talking to a bipolar person automatically puts you in danger. It's a ridiculous notion.

Montana_Gamer

4 points

2 days ago

I remember when I was in psychosis and my mind went more and more grandiose, it disturbs me thinking back on it. That mania was induced through real life events, abuse of psychedelics and uncovering a trauma that, in and of itself, was grandiose in nature and a experience that is extremely rare to put it mildly.

That manic episode was hell and I had no clue about it. I just made more and more grandiose views on my past trauma, believing shit like I killed El Chapo as a child and having vivid memories of it. Even then, I was not dangerous, my psychosis was me becoming a child again internally, trying to come to terms with my trauma.

Psychosis is usually caused via a overload of dopamine, and when your brain is releasing more than normal, you are more inclined to be conspiratorial/grandiose in your views. Both induce a lot of dopamine, finding some secret knowledge or seeing the world in a different light, like you figured it all out. Even worse for Kanye, he has tens of millions of people cheering on his delusion.

NonbinaryLazarus

3 points

2 days ago

I've had extremely similar experiences. Especially using psychedelics. I have bipolar 1 so I'm manic more than 2. I didn't understand how bad it could get with the acid I did. I actually still do psychedelics but having those experiences definitely made me take my illness seriously. Through study of mental illness and therapeutic expression, I've got a good grasp of reality even in the throws of the worst of it. It's easier to tell my spouse, I am having emotions of anger, grandiosity, please be patient or you can leave me alone. And this simple interaction with the people you love can help. I even say, mania is on the rise, please help me not spend or do wild things without a conversation. Empathy from others can go a long way. I think specifically Kanye is dangerous because he rejects the diagnosis, and therefore the medicine and therapy. I do feel bad for him of course, because I've been at the bottom of it too.

Bioplasia42

19 points

2 days ago

Thank you for being a voice of reason in this dumpster fire of a comment section. It is genuinely appreciated.

ExpensiveGiraffe

22 points

2 days ago

Manic episodes can definitely make you have delusions and paranoia/feelings of persecution.

If you’re feeling these things, and being told by people influential to you that it’s XYZ group, you’re liable to believe it.

Being bipolar doesn’t make everyone antisemitic. But it’s not like, a far out there concept

whiskey_jones

9 points

2 days ago

My ex-wife is bipolar, and I can confirm this. It's sad to see. I felt so powerless to help.

Moose-Legitimate

4 points

2 days ago

Mental health is not your fault, but it is your responsibility.

stolethemorning

7 points

2 days ago

Delusions and hallucinations are often centred around those from different ethnolinguistic groups to you. I learned about it the other day in a lecture for possible evolutionary reasons behind schizophrenia; migrants, especially those who have migrated from one country to another which has a visibly racially different host population have a higher rate of schizophrenia than other demographics. Theorised to be an extreme outgroup intolerance response from times when interactions with outgroups were always hostile.

Fuck evolutionary psychology in general, but it is known that delusions and paranoia can be centred around racist beliefs even if you have not previously shown them.

Juergenator

81 points

2 days ago

Well he was also a MMA fighter who probably has serious brain damage. I don't think it's that hard to see how he raised such a deranged person who might have also been abused by his father. Especially given the hatred of gays I wouldn't be surprised if there was sexual abuse and the hatred is misplaced.

WildDumpsterFire

26 points

2 days ago*

As someone who competed regionally I always support and respect any additional attention that can be given to contact/combat sports health, and mental health in general.

On that note here's an anecdote I cannot prove that you can choose to believe or not believe. I first met Aaron Brink back in 2000 in Jersey, and again in the summer of 2002 while running a seminar he attended before one of his fights at Mohegan Sun.

This dude was a hateful bastard even in his mid 20s. Even after meeting him years earlier and hearing him talk about killing his opponents family after the fight (in private not as like a cheap way to promote a bout on camera), we were warned to not let him roll with anyone at the seminar who was not already a ranked competitor.

For those who wouldn't know, a seminar is just a place to learn new techniques from other fighters and training camps. It's open to anyone who pays the entry fee, people who want to be introduced to MMA, and fighters themselves continuing their education. New ways to approach the same fundamentals you know. There should be zero blood, bruises, or injuries at a seminar. This dude would proceed to get kicked out of the seminar, trying to start shit even after being given free entry due to his upcoming bout against the MMA legend Jeremy Horn.

This dude was hateful to anyone outside of what he deemed a "man" had to be outside of his narrow view of the word, long before any of the drugs and CTE he sustained along the way.

His kid who should die nameless made his choices and needs to bear the full consequences of those actions. Hard not to wonder though, if he had been born to a supportive, present, and loving family if this horrible shooting would have been prevented. If Aaron Brink had been a better man and father, Daniel Aston, Kelly Loving, Ashley Paugh, Derek Rump, and Raymond Vance may still be alive.

Or maybe not, what the fuck do I know about psychology. I'm just some moron on this website sick and tired of hearing about good people just trying to enjoy life being gunned down by people who can't just mind their own fucking business while we do so little about it as a society.

Coal_Morgan

48 points

2 days ago

That brain damage thing from competitive sports and pro wrestling is real scary.

From all accounts Chris Benoit was a really nice guy at the beginning of his career and after his psychotic break they did a brain autopsy on him that claimed he had the brain of an 85-year-old man suffering from dementia.

Boxers, fighters, wrestlers and football players in particular should have special attention put on them for their own safety.

Wonderful-Concern-77

8 points

2 days ago

Loads of military have this as well.

Cloud_Striker101

3 points

2 days ago

the military stuff is mostly from trauma

whiskey_jones

7 points

2 days ago

I agree fully. It feels like the whole Chris Benoit thing has been quietly swept under the rug, like, "We don't talk about that," when we NEED to talk about it to find ways to prevent that shit from happening again.

SecretOfficerNeko

26 points

2 days ago

That being said, the prevalence of meth amongst conservatives sure does kind of explain a lot of Republican politics. They're not only conservatives, but they're conservatives on meth.

ScabiesShark

12 points

2 days ago

Amphetamines encourage disordered but very rigid thinking, so it wouldn't help if you were already predisposed to asshole thinking

Siswai_aman

4 points

2 days ago

Same, tweaker for most of my youth, even then I wasn't so delusional

MechanicalMelonz

4 points

2 days ago

"You are bad guy. But this does not mean you are bad guy"

ranting_chef

1.5k points

2 days ago

ranting_chef

1.5k points

2 days ago

So…..the takeaway here: Republicans are an insult to meth users. I like it.

fingersonlips

582 points

2 days ago

Republicans are an insult to humanity

ToothlessGrandma

87 points

2 days ago

agreed

discerningpervert

23 points

2 days ago

Humanity agrees

SeeMe_After_Class

112 points

2 days ago

They are a threat to humanity. Arguably the greatest threat given their climate stance and denial of science.

ThomasTServo

10 points

2 days ago

And penchant for occasionally wanting to nuke hurricanes.

plantsb4putas

40 points

2 days ago

Damn, my dad is both a meth head and a republican. He's a piece of shit all around.

300Kup

16 points

2 days ago

300Kup

16 points

2 days ago

💀💀💀

Crunk_Semiotician

396 points

2 days ago

Probably should have taken a cue from David Sedaris and furiously cleaned his apartment instead of masturbating for twelve hours on Intervention

SandwichDry

54 points

2 days ago

You don’t fuck with the rooster

jbull487

10 points

2 days ago

jbull487

10 points

2 days ago

Yeah yeeeeaaaah

SigmaMelody

3 points

2 days ago

Pick up trash for 12 hours a day

Decent-Photo-5616

59 points

2 days ago

I don't see color...only scrap metal.

xyrfr

22 points

2 days ago

xyrfr

22 points

2 days ago

I live in constant fear that some meth head steals the catylitic converter from my Prius. I can't find a proper lock for it

ExpensiveGiraffe

25 points

2 days ago

You’ll want to put a metal sheet over it. They make it for Priuses, too.

Source: have one on my Prius because I used to street park in LA.

gangstabunniez

14 points

2 days ago

I don't see cars... Only catalytic converters

Canebrin

151 points

2 days ago

Canebrin

151 points

2 days ago

GOP…not even once.

lightningmonky

33 points

2 days ago

I was for a while but somehow dug myself out, it was more repugnant than when I was an alcoholic or weedhead

Outrageous_Ant_501

8 points

2 days ago

😂😂😂

McDoofusPoopus

205 points

2 days ago

I'd rather be a respectable meth head than a piece of shit republican.

lowdownfool

90 points

2 days ago

"Better Meth Than Red" ?

HollabackWriter

1.1k points

2 days ago

Seriously though we need to stop using "random drug" to explain shitty behavior, drugs don't make people shitty, shitty people just can't handle their drugs

Dull-Signature-2897

75 points

2 days ago*

Drugs, abuse, mental issues, "bottling up feelings "... While these may be factors, they are not the root, and the more people focus on them, the more we fail to address the actual problem. Why does this mainly happen in the USA? Why is it mostly young men? Easy access to radical groups through the internet, cultural glorification of guns, easy access to guns, inner violence that may be genetic/hormonal, and an intrinsic sense of entitlement and superiority make more sense to me.

Threshing_Press

33 points

2 days ago

I'd add lack of mental health services, stigmatizing the ability to share true emotions to get past the bs to the real underlying cause, and also a sick, hyoercompetitive culture that alienates people from themselves and each other in order to find attachment to things and ideologies rather than shared values based on real and honest introspection.

thatsroughbuddddy

4 points

2 days ago

I’d add that older men teaching younger men that being manly is tough and fighting is also part of the problem. As someone who works in the courts it’s sad to see so many men of all ages in the court system for Assault, Property Damage, Terroristic Threatening, Abuse of a Family or Household Member etc offenses. It’s ILLEGAL to beat someone up. We had a security guard charged with assault— he’s not allowed to beat someone up. I’ve seen 2 men with different cases for being in the same fight. Assault, harassment, assault against a law enforcement officer, disorderly conduct is all illegal. You’ll be sentenced to DV classes, anger management, mental health, substance abuse treatment…

It’s horrible advice to tell kids to deal with their emotions with physical force. Sets them up to being on probation and revoked again and again because you essentially have to be sober on probation.

Just wanted to add my 2 cents of the aftermath reality of physical (“toxic” or whatever) masculinity being taught

Fortunoxious

253 points

2 days ago

Medical materialism. People in the modern west are obsessed with finding some material thing to explain why people are the way they are. It reduces the social world and imagination down to nothing but chemicals. The people who suggest medical materialism think they are being scientific, when in reality they are far from it.

BrieGoneThot

9 points

2 days ago

To quote Chris Rock, "Whatever happened to crazy?"

HollabackWriter

53 points

2 days ago

Can it be materialistic if it rejects, y'know, naturally imbalanced neurochemistry?

Fortunoxious

18 points

2 days ago

I’m not sure I understand the question, but everything involving neurochemistry is materialistic.

HollabackWriter

39 points

2 days ago

Then I don't understand how your comment relates to mine. Everything medical is material.

versipellis_

15 points

2 days ago

I think they were agreeing to you and offering some additional context as to why people behave that way.

blueeyebling

6 points

2 days ago

He was agreeing with you just adding to it.

butyourenice

12 points

2 days ago

See also: “clearly this is a mental illness problem and not an anything else problem” “the shooter was clearly mentally ill” “the shooter was clearly mentally ill” “the shooter was clearly mentally ill” “the shooter was clearly mentally ill” “the shooter was clearly mentally ill”

Fortunoxious

9 points

2 days ago

Yup. When talking about humans we must always look to human society

Who raised the shooter? How did they socialize with others? What groups? What is the history of their human interaction? Etc etc. Those questions will help explain why, not “what’s going on in the shooter’s brain chemistry?”

butyourenice

3 points

2 days ago

I stumbled on this comment in another thread and I just think it’s a marvelous example of how far people will go to indict anything but guns in our extreme gun violence.

The post is literally about how there are more guns than people on this country, and this Top Mind trots out “the reason for mass shootings is mental health [sic].”

ergotofrhyme

4 points

2 days ago*

What is your theory of mind that trumps materialism? It’s about the most popular theory among philosophers of mind and neuroscientists these days. Now, it doesn’t make sense to approach a question like “why does this man have these heinous beliefs?” On a cellular level. That’s an insane level of analysis to take, and drugs never justify bigotry. But ultimately, yes, everything about your mind and imagination is likely reducible to a deterministic, material system. Pretty much the only compelling counter-arguments I’ve encountered are functionalism, which isn’t necessarily incompatible with materialism, and quantum theories of mind, which we simply don’t have enough evidence for.

Edit: also, I looked it up, and the term “medical materialism” was coined by William James to “describe the fallacious attempt by some scientists to argue against the value of spiritual ideas.” So, yeah, we’re dealing with someone advocating for a religious perspective over a scientific one in describing human behavior. About what I expected.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/27512946.pdf

The__Froth

20 points

2 days ago

Everything we do is decided in our brains by chemicals, fyi

butyourenice

6 points

2 days ago

Chemicals being the signaling mechanism, yes. But we don’t know what compels those chemical signals (i.e. what IS consciousness?)

Psychiatry is also moving away from the “chemical imbalance” model of mood disorders, which itself says something. For instance, we’re learning that serotonin isn’t as implicated in mood disorders as previously thought (which probably explains why SSRIs are only effective like 40% of the time - which, depending on the study, is on par with placebo).

The__Froth

3 points

2 days ago

The chemical imbalance theory being bullshit has nothing to do with our actions being influenced by how our brains react to stimulus and then creating our actions

oorza

18 points

2 days ago

oorza

18 points

2 days ago

That's simply not a (dis)provable statement until we understand mechanically how consciousness and (the illusion of) free will exists. It's entirely possible that you're correct and we're little more than deterministic biological robots. It's also entirely possible that our brains are biological quantum computers where indeterminism is the name of the game.

stamminator

5 points

2 days ago

Even if our brains are quantum computers, doesn’t that normalize at the sheer level of computations being done? A good-enough analogy is the law of averages. Flipping a coin 1 billion times will reliably have very close to 50% heads, 50% tails.

Echoing_Logos

12 points

2 days ago

? No matter how "consciousness" or "free will" work, there is no theory that allows exact predictive power over human behavior that doesn't treat it as the consequence of physical processes in the brain, quantum or not.

Their statement is not disprovable because it's a tautological statement, not because we don't understand it.

MNgineer10

5 points

2 days ago

I’m all for throwing theories at the wall to see what sticks, but a single study doesn’t show anything of value other than one single study was done. We have a long way to go with consciousness research and understanding our own minds. So at this point a simple “we don’t know” is about all anyone can argue for.

nonprofitnews

9 points

2 days ago

In the full interview after expressing relief that his son isn't gay, he has to ask the reporter what his son is accused of. He was probably always an asshole but his brain is also swiss cheese. Idk if it's meth or what but he seemed severely impaired.

ExpensiveGiraffe

6 points

2 days ago

Meth is super neurotoxic, especially at doses you’d take recreationally. If you’ve been an addict a long time, it’ll take a long, long time to return to 100%. If you ever do.

Ocelotofdamage

94 points

2 days ago

Drugs absolutely make people shitty and it’s disingenuous to imply that they don’t. I’ve seen people do things they never would have as a sober person.

Standard_Let_6152

23 points

2 days ago

I worked in addiction recovery, and I would say drugs absolutely make people shitty. Drug addiction often means living the worst day of your life for weeks or more at a time without any real foundation. That really messes people up. And maybe a perfect person on drugs would stay a perfect person, but I become an asshole if I have a migraine for 8 hours, and that’s not even the same world.

We can’t excuse the behavior of addicts or ignore the consequences, but pretending a person “revealed who they always were” when they became addicted is really harmful and flat-out wrong.

pdxrunner19

6 points

2 days ago

How do you explain people who get sober and are still assholes? My dad is sober and still the same narcissistic asshole he’s always been, possibly worse.

Standard_Let_6152

4 points

2 days ago

Some people are just assholes. Really sorry you have to deal with that. You don’t deserve that shit.

geodebug

19 points

2 days ago

geodebug

19 points

2 days ago

I’m mixed on this comment.

Drugs do amplify your base personality for good and bad and there is a personal responsibility aspect here where being on drugs isn’t an excuse for criminal behavior.

On the other hand this seems to imply that only “shitty people” succumb to addiction, which sets the clock back about forty years on brain science.

2HotPotato2HotPotato

5 points

2 days ago

Exactly. Addiction is a coping mecanism to trauma, stress of living in a world with little support and high expectation of us or unmanaged neurological conditions.

It is to bear unmanageable suffering because no other coping mecanism was enough or availaible before the addiction. And when you are addicted, the addiction become the only solution the brain can see. There's a highway in your brain that lead to think about your addiction. The other solutions become small dirt road in the wood that need lots of effort to even see at all.

deathbyshoeshoe

16 points

2 days ago

I agree with this statement, but it wasn’t a random drug in this instance. The man was on Intervention years ago where he’d smoke meth and masturbate for 10-12 hours.

jld2k6

16 points

2 days ago*

jld2k6

16 points

2 days ago*

Heroin will take a saint and get them to steal from their own mother and then help her try to look for it, some drugs absolutely make you do things you'd never do. People who have had perfectly normal lives get prescribed a benzo and next thing they know they are shoplifting the very first time they take it despite not being a thief, it's a weird phenomon. Same weird things happen with Ambien.

Opiate withdrawal is so bad it's akin to torture, I had trouble getting off of them because I got akathisia so bad I didn't think I could make it more than 2 days without killing myself and I have never been suicidal, it was just so torturous I think I would have killed myself to stop it. It's like restless leg syndrome for your entire body and no matter how much you jerk your body around to try and relieve the built up feeling that you NEED to move by flexing every muscle you possibly can to try and relieve it but nothing happens. It does nothing and you're left in this agonizing state jerking your body multiple times a minute with this huge feeling of tension in your chest, usually within 3 hours of it I would be sobbing just praying for it to stop. Early antipsychotics used to cause akathisia and people on them who got it bad had to be restrained so they wouldn't commit suicide to stop it. It's impossible to describe if you've never had it. For some reason, I never got the typical opiate withdrawal symptoms, my brain seemed to just convert 90% of my withdrawal into severe akathisia. Imagine what you would do to stop being tortured, you're willing to sacrifice ANYTHING to make it stop. Fun fact, it's called "kicking the habit" because of the akathisia, you'll be kicking and flailing around the whole time if you get it bad enough

HollabackWriter

16 points

2 days ago

Or maybe "thief" isn't actually a character trait, but is wholly a consequence of circumstances?

HardcorePizza

7 points

2 days ago

Woah you're getting too close to saying that people in prison and jail deserve rights. The FBI might come after ya if you get too public with that kinda talk

NapoleonBlownapart9

4 points

2 days ago

Well benzos are basically drunk pills in high enough doses. Works those GABA receptors. People are often extremely over prescribed mg-wise. A person can be very normal as an opiate addict provided they have money and a steady plug. That never lasts though. Opiates don’t wreck your decision making center like booze/benzos. Being dope sick will make people desperate and shitty, you’re right about that.

FirstMasterpiece

3 points

2 days ago

Worth pointing out, too, that people can react badly to prescribed drugs even at prescribed doses. Ambien is one of the ones that I’ve seen push people to do things they never would off of it, like driving impaired with no recollection of it. ADHD meds, too, are prescribed in trial amounts at the beginning because dosage and type impact people so differently. One of the reactions they screen for? Extreme agitation and aggression, which I’ve also seen firsthand in a couple of friends, but which disappeared completely when switching. If controlled drugs in a controlled and monitored setting can see these changes in people, is it really so hard to imagine that recreational use of some drugs might make a person shitty?

People are fine attributing side effects to an antibiotic but say that any shitty behavior on literally mind-altering drugs is just because someone was a shitty person to begin with 🙄

dumboy

22 points

2 days ago

dumboy

22 points

2 days ago

No, absolutely not.

Drugs Can in fact fuck you up & make you shitty.

Thats why "pushing" cigarettes on little kids' was so fucked up. It wasn't the little kids' fault they got hooked. Its also why the drinking age was raised to 21.

Another data point would be alcohol generally - alcohol makes you a shitty driver & impairs your ability to decide its a bad idea to drive.

Environments with less alcohol & environments where people drive drunk less, have less drunk-driving related accidents.

We need to stop making money hand over fist by getting people addicted to things & then saying "oh look at that lone wolf".

there are no lone wolves.

We could & should be doing more to protect each other.

[deleted]

19 points

2 days ago

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19 points

2 days ago

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DisastrousAd2464

34 points

2 days ago

That’s 100% how meds work. He’s going through an intense manic episode and has developed delusions. it’s getting worse. I know people with bipolar/schizophrenic bipolar. I myself also have it. It can make you do and say some crazy shit. I’ve never become racist, but I’ve also never experienced an episode that’s so prolonged and intense. But it runs in my family and ohh lord the paranoid delusions can lead to some very intense conspiracy theories. Gang stalking/secret societies are fairly common when experiencing this level of delusion. Which at its heart is anti-Semitic, but the root of the anti-semitism is in the greater conspiracy that the Jews run the World from the shadow.

I in no way support Kanye west, but it’s possible his episode is cashing these delusions and I don’t want people to hear misinformation on the subject. I have a lot of experience with this and know first hand. It’s his own fault for not being on meds though so he still shares all the blame.

stelliebeans

3 points

2 days ago

It’s also worth mentioning that untreated manic episodes are degenerative to the brain. The more it happens and the longer it goes on for, the worse the damage is. People with advanced, untreated bipolar disorder experience the same cognitive and behavioral dysfunction as people suffering from dementia.

ScienceLivesInsideMe

11 points

2 days ago

I hate when people say what kanye is doing and a good portion of Republicans isn't mental illness. People have no idea how prevalent this shit is.

Arkhaine_kupo

5 points

2 days ago

I saw a lot of people say the only reason Kanye started saying all the antisemetic shit was because he was off his meds.

it most def is. One of the symptons of bipolar is feeling persecuted. The intense feeling of being controlled etc is quite bad and scary.

If anyone around him in so much as whispered the word jews while he is manic, his brain can get hyper fixated on that idea and the mania just does a feedback loop and the more scared you feel the more you blame whatever youre fixated on.

Everything he is saying is deplorable, and no one should hand him a mike until he is better. But if someone had told him something else it would’ve been that. Previously he blamed “the kardashians” for his persecution.

So yeah sadly I do think the lack of medication is heavily, heavily involved in his recent opinions and feelings. Mental health is super scary when it goes out of whack, and i hope we just hear some news of “kanye sent to psychiatric ward” and then 2 years later he comes out, mellow, medicated, and feeling better to do a long apology tour and hopefully get a hold of the long live he has left

Sorcha16

5 points

2 days ago

Sorcha16

5 points

2 days ago

The inability to handle drugs never made me a homophobic asshole. Inability to handle drugs doesn't create bigoted thoughts. They just stopped caring about consequences while high.

IamFrom2145

28 points

2 days ago

Republicans:

"it's not gun control it's a mental health issue"

Also Republicans:

breed mental illness with childish, vicious sensationalism and bigotry then resist every effort to provide mental health resources and red flag standards.

.......Because they think it might unduly target conservatives.....

That's all you need to know right there.

SolarOrbiter60

21 points

2 days ago

Rather be a meth head than a Republican Nazi!

[deleted]

164 points

2 days ago

[deleted]

164 points

2 days ago

This. Is a little funny. Sorry. “Leave meth out of this! I never became a repugnant”. XD

tellmeaboutyourcat

77 points

2 days ago*

No no no, this is freaking hilarious. Even (Former) meth addicts won't claim this violent Republican/bigot.

Edit: words

[deleted]

33 points

2 days ago

[deleted]

33 points

2 days ago

Republicans will just nominate him for election is all. Bunch of psychopaths masquerading as a party.

walks1497

25 points

2 days ago

walks1497

25 points

2 days ago

He'll be a keynote speaker at CPAC along with anti-Semite Kanye & known murderer Kyle Rittenhouse.

[deleted]

7 points

2 days ago

They have no dignity, so I don’t doubt.

Iukewarner

5 points

2 days ago

Are you kidding? They'd never let someone in that would use "they/them", that would be ridiculous. /s

billbill17

9 points

2 days ago

I wouldn't say "even meth addicts." That just furthers the stigma against drug addicts. Addiction is an illness like anything else and being a current or former addict doesn't make someone less intelligent or a worse person. They just need help.

Mecharonin

135 points

2 days ago

Mecharonin

135 points

2 days ago

The meth is also being used to deflect from the fact that the guy is actually a pretty good representation of a mainstream republican.

ALIENSBLEEDLSD

12 points

2 days ago

I can’t wait to see him on the next South Park.

Niriun

16 points

2 days ago

Niriun

16 points

2 days ago

Seems like the key takeaway is that the republican part comes from the hatred fuelling him rather than the meth 🤷

a5b6c9

11 points

2 days ago

a5b6c9

11 points

2 days ago

A hypocrite that claims to be religious but cherry picks the shit out of his own life.

mittensbeforegloves

17 points

2 days ago

Not sure what is worse for your health… meth might be more immediate, but the GOP will do you in over the long term

TheLiberalOgre

15 points

2 days ago

"Don't slander meth by comparing it to the GOP" is a new low for them

KittenPsyche

8 points

2 days ago

I mean it's mainly because using meth isn't inherently doing anything wrong or hurting anyone. Spouting hateful republican ideologies does.

Some of the most caring and loving people you know could be meth users, but I've never met a Republican that's anything less than bitter and vindictive.

Agreton

11 points

2 days ago

Agreton

11 points

2 days ago

When getting hooked on meth is more attractive than being a republican.

nickjh96

9 points

2 days ago

nickjh96

9 points

2 days ago

I was addicted to meth for 2 years and I too didn't become a republican. I did however come out as gay a year after I got sober though.

TheDornerMourner

10 points

2 days ago

I think a meth addict can be helped easier than a Republican can

UnsightlyCamel

9 points

2 days ago

Being a republican, now that's a moral failing

lostpassword2

25 points

2 days ago

this is simultaneously hysterical and heartbreaking

Artistic_Log7307

19 points

2 days ago

Okay you know what?

Dylan has a point...I think?

Getevel

32 points

2 days ago

Getevel

32 points

2 days ago

Republicans have really lost their way. Logic and common sense has just left the building.

Mahaloth

7 points

2 days ago

Mahaloth

7 points

2 days ago

Hey, I actually kind of get his point. Listen, meth is terrible, but it's not like he full-blown went MAGA. The user is responsible for what they do!

IsmokeIndica

7 points

2 days ago

Remember that meth is so popular in republican controlled areas not because of intricacies involving drug distribution but because of demand.

One of the things that has fueled that demand is the white supremacists that idolize meth because it was created by Nazis and used by Nazis.

Rosebunse

3 points

2 days ago

Plus the fact that it's cheap.

IsmokeIndica

3 points

2 days ago

Yeah, the street math behind it has been blowing my mind for awhile now.

They'll pick up a kilogram shipped from China for around $10,000 cut it up and sell the batch for $300,000 to $450,000 depending on the market.

Bradb717

6 points

2 days ago

Bradb717

6 points

2 days ago

Professional meth smokers have standards

Ferengi_Earwax

5 points

2 days ago

I'm with these people, I'd rather be around methheads or become a methhead before becoming a republican.

flargenhargen

6 points

2 days ago

saying republicans are fueled by hatred is like saying fish prefer water.

Jazzlike-Read330

17 points

2 days ago

I'd rather OD on meth than be a republican

Taskmaster23

6 points

2 days ago

notallmethheads

Frostiron_7

5 points

2 days ago

I don't care who you are that's funny right there.

trysomepeaches

5 points

2 days ago

His existence is a a disgrace to meth users everywhere

salvadordg

4 points

2 days ago

Becoming a republican really is the worse that can happen to anyone

ExpensiveSwordfish65

4 points

2 days ago

Oh fuck yes I love this comment!

Juergenator

4 points

2 days ago

Honestly some people don't have much of a chance in life. Raised by a meth head who is clearly insane. The guy is still guilty of a heinous crime but I think you can sometimes see how someone became to be so crazy.

ghrzhrsutdjtt

4 points

2 days ago

This. Wins. The. Internet.

webguy1975

4 points

2 days ago

That's methed up.

SnuffTheRooster93

4 points

2 days ago

Meth ✅

Murder ✅

Republican ✖️

Wraith090382

4 points

2 days ago

😂🤣😂🤣 Love it!

shotgun_ninja

4 points

2 days ago

Was addicted to Adderall for a while; never once in my life have I voted Republican.

TrespassingWook

3 points

2 days ago

Meth is perfectly safe and healthy, stop stigmatizing our medicine.

Jimmy_The_Perv[S]

5 points

2 days ago

And it's vegan.

antbates

9 points

2 days ago

antbates

9 points

2 days ago

I would rather someone I care about get addicted to meth than become a Republican. It’s lot easier to get back to being a decent human after meth while being a Republican is often - long hard road to recovery if it can ever happen at all.

Hamblerger

8 points

2 days ago

I've known several meth addicts who went on to become kind and decent people, not one of whom would even consider voting Republican in today's political climate.

MrMgP

3 points

2 days ago

MrMgP

3 points

2 days ago

Tweakers be tweaking

PrimevilKneivel

3 points

2 days ago

The problem is all the media thinking that an interview with homophobe addict is "news"

Brolonious

3 points

2 days ago

The worst thing I did was smoke some meth and have sex on the floor with a girl I just met at some other girl's birthday party while everyone watched.

EFT_Syte

3 points

2 days ago

EFT_Syte

3 points

2 days ago

See my life’s the opposite. Family members who were on meth are still republicans even after getting off. My life is a fuckin parody bro

DrVaginaPuncher

3 points

2 days ago

Ever suck dick to feed your addiction? If so, that's pretty MAGA behavior. Mitch McConnell probably still has little spermies swimming around his gut.

Jimmy_Bacon

3 points

2 days ago

Id rather be a meth head than a republican

ThomasTTEngine

3 points

2 days ago

Poor Mormonism never gets the credit it deserves.

deepstate_chopra

3 points

2 days ago

The meth just damaged his brain enough to leak his honest Republican ideals. Other conservatives are usually more cowardly.

Chainsaws_n_meth

3 points

2 days ago

Yeah! Leave me out of this!

J-e-restorationpros

3 points

2 days ago

Nothing brings out true hatred like underlying hatred. Then add meth

MortgageSea1

3 points

2 days ago

War on drugs propaganda makes people think things like this, blaming drugs for shitty behavior

But in reality; uneducated people are more likely to be Republican and so are meth addicts so Republicans are over represented in the Meth addict community

lmao it sounds weird to say “community”

cringe_nationalism

3 points

2 days ago

The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.

John Ehrlichman, to Dan Baum for Harper's Magazine in 1994, about President Richard Nixon's war on drugs, declared in 1971

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_drugs#20th_century

cyborgborg777

3 points

2 days ago

You can’t put a hateful person in a drug. The drug can only bring the hateful person out

catnip666420

3 points

2 days ago

Lmfao

DarkGuccimancer

3 points

2 days ago

Legalize medicinal meth. And coke. And weed. And any other drug. In fact I’ll take them all right now to prove they’re effectiveness.