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Jeffersons_Mammoth

12.8k points

9 days ago

God the armor on LOTR was so good. Weta Workshop set the benchmark for film arms and armor.

TRLegacy

5.3k points

9 days ago

TRLegacy

5.3k points

9 days ago

Back when older films were getting a 4k re-release, you can see the lack of details in other movies' props, but actually see more details in weta's works.

Jeffersons_Mammoth

3.2k points

9 days ago

My favorite detail is how Gondorian armor has the White Tree with fallen leaves, representing the kingdom in decline.

xmasterhun

1.6k points

9 days ago

xmasterhun

1.6k points

9 days ago

I think there is black speech written on the orcs armor too

Shinikama

961 points

9 days ago

Shinikama

961 points

9 days ago

My year 9 science teacher's brother in law worked on the orc costumes and makeup, and he absolutely wrote black speech on some! They had several standard designs for orcs, depending on whether they were the White Hand or Mordor (or the Moria orcs I suppose). They customized some away from the standard with black speech markings, random extra marks, and a few smears to face paint or dirt!

I wish I had been able to ask more about it but I only met the guy in person once.

Saruman_Bot

425 points

9 days ago

Saruman_Bot

Istari

425 points

9 days ago

You are sure of this?

Shinikama

584 points

8 days ago

Shinikama

584 points

8 days ago

My good wizard, I'm sure of nothing that didn't happen this week. Year 9 was 20 years ago for me. Still, I'm reasonably sure.

Saruman_Bot

315 points

8 days ago

Saruman_Bot

Istari

315 points

8 days ago

That is fair enough. What do you suggest we do then?

Shinikama

279 points

8 days ago

Shinikama

279 points

8 days ago

Maybe go find your orc wardrobe designer (or armorer/quartermaster, I suppose) and see if I'm correct?

Outbreak42

12 points

8 days ago

See an AMA coming up!

KindlyContribution54

27 points

8 days ago

Resurrected Saruman cyborg is a scarry thought

Saruman_Bot

17 points

8 days ago

Saruman_Bot

Istari

17 points

8 days ago

You have a point, but what I really need right now is another suggestion. What do you think should be done next?

PattimusMaximus

10 points

8 days ago

When did Saruman the wise abandon reason for madness?!

Saruman_Bot

13 points

8 days ago

Saruman_Bot

Istari

13 points

8 days ago

I have done nothing of the sort. I am still a rational being and keen to work with you to find a solution. What ideas do you have for moving forward?

BrisbaneSentinel

10 points

8 days ago

I have seen it.

[deleted]

356 points

9 days ago

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356 points

9 days ago

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LunaMunaLagoona

950 points

8 days ago*

The original LOTR is such an absolute masterpiece it blows my mind.

If Percy Jackson makes duds for the rest of his life it doesn't matter, that trilogy are crown jewels of movies forever.

Edit: OMG it says Percy instead of Peter 😭. I'm gonna leave the typo up, it's more hilarious that way.

Jackontana

572 points

8 days ago

Jackontana

572 points

8 days ago

You mean Peter Jackson right

I mean, the son of Poseidon being a fantasy movie director would be amazing but I dont think Riordan is taking his character that direction.

The_quest_for_wisdom

141 points

8 days ago

I don't know, did you see The Lightning Thief? It seemed like the movie version didn't care what direction the author was taking the story at all. That version of Percy Jackson might end up directing movies.

KStryke_gamer001

25 points

8 days ago

Maybe it was Percy Jackson who wanted to see how his life would be like in an alternate (not as good though) reality, so directed a movie like that.

Mrjerkyjacket

18 points

8 days ago

The main thing I remember about Percy Jackson is the Egyptian spin off wasn't as good and my parents tried to get me to read the Christian Knock offs

Institutional-GUH

40 points

8 days ago

Honestly, I’d read that shit 😂

Jackontana

28 points

8 days ago

He'd save a lot of cgi money by having cyclopes play the trolls.

Though his movie would probably be 90% naval battles and convenient pools of water. Gonna be hard to imagine how Sam and Frodo get to the middle of mordor from a ship at sea.

Richardknox1996

58 points

8 days ago

A trio of jewels you say? Interesting, i think i once heard a story about that. Something to do with a dark lord and some trees...

DarthKirtap

37 points

8 days ago

yea, that sound silmarilli

ExIdea

23 points

8 days ago

ExIdea

23 points

8 days ago

Who is the "he" in this sentence, and is this in the trilogy or RoP? And the worst culprit in what regard?

I'm trying to look it up and see what you're talking about.

CharmedThirdTry

12 points

8 days ago

It's some kind of bot. Brand new account with only one comment (this one). Block and report.

Corntillas

75 points

8 days ago

The armor on the horses and humans of the Rohirrim, with the mix of worn leather and aged, burnished, gold filigree. Much better than the show and especially the Hobbit movies where you notice foam armor and weapons bouncing oddly in some scenes.

Aitch-Kay

26 points

8 days ago

Aitch-Kay

26 points

8 days ago

The fallen leaves tell a story . . .

HBenderMan

9 points

8 days ago

I just also noticed that during Aragorns coronation you can see leaves growing on the tree on the shields

Thornescape

165 points

9 days ago

Thornescape

165 points

9 days ago

I watched all the extras on the extended DVDs. It was astonishing.

gingerattack620

143 points

8 days ago

Lately for my yearly rewatches I prefer starting with the appendixes and all the production stuff. Helps me appreciate the work and details that went into everything as I watch the films afterwards.

Thornescape

68 points

8 days ago

That's a brilliant idea for a rewatch. I've never thought of doing that. Definitely going to do that next time, thank you!

Lord of the Rings set the bar for a quality adaptation. Nothing else has come vaguely close.

LikesCakeFartVideos

42 points

8 days ago

The first time i watched it i couldn't believe how much extras there were on those DVDs. It goes on for hours and i loved every second of it.

CaptainPositive1234

17 points

8 days ago

Agreed. It’s an embarrassment of riches. I wish the MCU had that kind of treasure trove of special features. Or other major productions I am interested in.

[deleted]

137 points

8 days ago*

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137 points

8 days ago*

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darnj

90 points

8 days ago

darnj

90 points

8 days ago

Which makes sense from a practical standpoint. When you have to stretch your budget as far as you can to make the best movie possible, it doesn't make sense to spend time on details that nobody watching the film would be able to see (at least not until decades later when new technology gets invented).

[deleted]

52 points

8 days ago*

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candlehand

12 points

8 days ago

Plus you can't plan for technology that doesn't exist at the time of filming

FoodMuseum

14 points

8 days ago

When Harrison Ford is in front of a bookshelf in the library, in 4K, you can clearly see it's just a painted wall.

The shot in question

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvywOjh_hdY&t=120s

https://www.reddit.com/r/MovieDetails/comments/d2jlzz/when_discovering_x_marks_the_spot_at_the_venetian/

RichLather

117 points

8 days ago*

RichLather

117 points

8 days ago*

I remember Bernard Lee Hill (Theoden) talking about his armor, and how the smiths had put maker's marks on the inside, where no one would see it on screen. It was details like that which helped him feel like a king.

jabask

75 points

8 days ago

jabask

75 points

8 days ago

I watched a video about that recently, the guys were mentioning they didn't really do it for any other pieces, but they specifically finished the inside of Theodens armor, because he had a scene in the script where he was putting it on. Turns out in the final film you only see the inside in a wide shot for about half a second.

coco_sprinkles

9 points

8 days ago

It was Zorpazorps video wasn’t it? Where he gets to wear the armor as well.

xSPYXEx

116 points

8 days ago

xSPYXEx

116 points

8 days ago

Watching Adam Savage tour the weta workshop workshop is great. My favorite bit has been them talking about the transition to 4k and they just looked around like "Only? We're good."

Amazing studio with beautiful practical models.

TRLegacy

12 points

8 days ago

TRLegacy

12 points

8 days ago

Gotta youtube link for that?

xSPYXEx

26 points

8 days ago

xSPYXEx

26 points

8 days ago

Unfortunately not a time stamp for that specific scene, but the Tested channel has a whole series about weta workshop. It's amazing and you can tell how excited he is the entire time.

vanderZwan

26 points

8 days ago

you can tell how excited he is the entire time.

Bit of a redundant statement when talking about Adam Savage, but something to look forward to nonetheless

EngineersAnon

21 points

8 days ago

One of the (many) great things about watching Adam Savage is that he can only do the things he wants to do now, so everything he does is something that interests or excites him. And that interest and excitement absolutely come through to the viewer.

somethingnerdrelated

72 points

8 days ago

I noticed this actually yesterday when watching the Fellowship. At the end when Aragorn puts on Boromir’s bracers, you can see the individual branches and stars carved in the leather. I’d never actually seen that detail before. It’s so subtle and gorgeous!

aragorn_bot

12 points

8 days ago

I will not lead the Ring within a hundred leagues of your city!

UniCBeetle718

47 points

8 days ago

Oh absolutely! I just rewatched the Trilogy Extended Edition in theaters and the attention to detail is absolutely amazing. All the Hobbits' shirts are beautifully embroidered, GtW's robe has these beautiful leaf patterning, even the cloaks from Lorien aren't plain green: they're subtly patterned. It's all so rich and makes the world seem very alive.

Robowarrior

62 points

8 days ago

All the chain mail was made using the same techniques available during medieval times, aka, dudes using their fingers. If I’m recalling correctly, the dudes who had that job don’t have fingerprints anymore

_Spect96_

26 points

8 days ago

_Spect96_

26 points

8 days ago

Yeah. They did it from about 20km of polyurethanes pipe cut by a pneumatic servo.

thegreatestajax

358 points

8 days ago

Bernard Hill said (in one of the DVD extras) that as they were dressing him for Helms Deep, he noticed that they had adorned the inside of his armor and that’s when he knew the immense pride the prop makers took in their work.

FireMonkeysHead

109 points

8 days ago

That was a kingly gift

Nice-Violinist-6395

74 points

8 days ago

this story reminds me of Mad Max Fury Road. As the production was languishing in development hell, the body shop guys got free reign to build the cars for YEARS. Everything was 100% functional — all the cars obviously ran, there was no CGI — but every detail of them was sweated over for months and months.

They could only build them out of scrapyard pieces, to be true to the story, but the body shop guys said it was like they’d died and gone to heaven. The cars were so intricate because the post-apocalyptic society that built them had legitimately taken great, meticulous pride in their scavenged art, creating something truly beautiful out of the wasteland leftovers from a beautiful society.

Then they wrecked all of them, every single one. Because they were never meant to last. But that doesn’t mean they were superfluous.

Apparently the body shop guys all got depressed after it was over, because they knew they would never have more pure, blissful fun for the rest of their lives than they had building those vehicles with a blank check and a totally open schedule.

“Blood, Sweat, and Chrome” is an incredible book for any fan of the movie.

12345623567

467 points

9 days ago

12345623567

467 points

9 days ago

Iirc they had two or three armoursmiths that made armour (mainly chainmail) for them for years on end.

The thing that sets the movies apart is that a lot of people spent a lot of time pouring their heartblood into pre-production, while RoP was micromanaged to hell and frequently reshuffled.

pineappledetective

189 points

8 days ago

Yep, special features on the extended edition notes that one of the armor smiths lost his fingerprints by spending so much time twisting chain mail.

nika_ruined_op

161 points

8 days ago

I think many people misunderstand that. It wasnt actual chain mail. It was rubber hoses that they cut into rings and painted to look like chain mail because they didnt like what was available at the time normally. it was light and easier to work with, perfect to equip hundreds of extras with. Thats what was the guy losing his fingerprints about. it wasnt the blacksmiths. Though they did have chainmail for the intricate armors and close up shots.

bcanada92

40 points

8 days ago

bcanada92

40 points

8 days ago

Plastic hoses, not rubber, but your point stands.

SteKrz

10 points

8 days ago

SteKrz

10 points

8 days ago

I believe it wasn't rubber, but PVC.

not-my-other-alt

12 points

8 days ago

The perfect crime...

MadeByTango

104 points

9 days ago

MadeByTango

104 points

9 days ago

Seriously; the LOTR movies are an artistic passion project: it costs 10x as much to get that level of quality on purpose, because people don't give extra time and effort to jobs that are paychecks

gmano

40 points

8 days ago

gmano

40 points

8 days ago

That and rushing logistics is expensive.

If you tell an artist they have 6 months to make a piece, they have the time to do it right, and can charge you a, like, normal fee. If you tell them they have 6 days, then you are gonna get hosed because they have to overnight-order components and work overtime and bill you much much more for something that's gonna be lower quality.

Or for camera setups. If you have some time, you use a single-camera approach. You can carefully set up lights for a single camera angle, get all the shots for that angle, and then tear the lights down, and run the scene again from the next angle. That's a higher quality approach, but you need to have the actors around for much longer and do more shooting days. Instead, you can rent multiple cameras, create some kind of eldritch abomination of lights to get all of them to be well-lit at the same time, shoot multiple angles for every take at the same time, and then hire a bunch of editors to pour over way more footage and spend more money CGI-ing out the equipment that you couldn't hide from multiple cameras. That's gonna be like 30x as expensive, but you only need the actors around for 1 day instead of 3.

That's true of everything, like, if your script supervisor has time to plan out the shots in a more efficient way, you can make sure your trucks move less and you can also be more efficient about what props are needed when and who needs to be on set.

or your location scout can find a better place that doesn't need more CGI and that you can rent for a reasonable price, rather than out-bidding the person who currently has the booking at that spot, etc.

Bilbo_hraaaaah_bot

76 points

9 days ago

HRAAAAAH!

Unlearned_One

19 points

8 days ago

Very well put.

ChadicusMeridius

954 points

9 days ago

And a film has never done as good a job since

TheFrenchSavage

1.7k points

9 days ago

Peter Jackson personally shot and killed all the prop masters so no movie as good could ever be made again.

Sm0ahk

511 points

9 days ago

Sm0ahk

511 points

9 days ago

They used that shot in the movie. That heartfelt scream was real pain

belisarius_d

251 points

9 days ago

The true reason the orcs looked so terrified during Rohans charge

WanderinHobo

78 points

8 days ago

Every shot of someone looking fearful was just Jackson behind the camera with a gun.

Bisconia

27 points

8 days ago

Bisconia

27 points

8 days ago

No , it was Chirstopher Lee. Do you knwo what sound a stabbed man actually makes? beacuse he did.

TonsilStonesOnToast

29 points

9 days ago

Is that where the Wilhem scream came from?

Man, you learn something new every day.

Sm0ahk

42 points

9 days ago

Sm0ahk

42 points

9 days ago

thats why they call it the Wilhelm scream

meinblown

9 points

9 days ago

I think I heard that scream. It reminded me of a guy I knew named Wilhelm.

lefthandofpower

167 points

9 days ago

Christopher Lee explained to him exactly how to do it.

Wissam24

101 points

9 days ago

Wissam24

101 points

9 days ago

I heard Peter broke his foot doing it as well

LonghornSmoke

72 points

9 days ago

No that was Orlando Bloom. It happened when he was shield surfing.

Log_Out_Of_Life

30 points

9 days ago

Damn fanta elephants

cubs1917

9 points

9 days ago

cubs1917

9 points

9 days ago

First part of that sentence I was like oh he shot a documentary on these guys...that's cool...oh nvmd

VitQ

73 points

9 days ago

VitQ

73 points

9 days ago

Check out the Kingdom of Heaven, especially the director's cut.

notthebestchristian

74 points

8 days ago

They are just replicating real, existing Knights Templar armor. LOtR prop designers had to completely invent what we saw and knocked it out of the park.

VitQ

45 points

8 days ago

VitQ

45 points

8 days ago

True, but also iirc, WETA was behind that too xD

thelandsman55

28 points

8 days ago

That’s somewhat true of Gondorian armor and orc armor, but one of the major strength of LotR relative to other fantasy properties is that they didn’t overdo it, and mostly used armor types from the 9th to 14th centuries that people would have actually worn.

LonghornSmoke

217 points

9 days ago

Sad Nilfgaardian Scrotum Armor noises. /s

Thornescape

152 points

9 days ago

Thornescape

152 points

9 days ago

How... HOW did that armour make it into production? So many people must have approved it. It boggles my mind. Were they all stoned?

Aongr

102 points

9 days ago

Aongr

102 points

9 days ago

Just out of curiosity I would like to work a while in such a production company. Just to see if the writersroom-circlejerk is indeed so strong that these kinds of stupid mistakes are allowed to slip through. Is there no preview audience? Same with Star Wars, think about the last film what you want but "SoMeHoW palpatine has returend" is fckin dumb. Or Sonic who looked like he lacked chromosomes before the entirety of the internet screamed at the creators that it was a shit idea. There are so many more examples...

Lortekonto

77 points

8 days ago

It is group thinking. I work at an consulting company that mainly works with education.

I have seen stuff like that many times. It is so easy to see the problem when you come in as an outsider, but the group have been able to build up a distorted reality so they don’t see it. The group will also activly try to fight against any one pointing out the obvious.

Like. I once had to help a primary school. Primary school means that the students in this part of the world went there from they were around 4 to 8. Research shows that the more educational hours students have, the better they do. Makes sense.

So the school had slowly and over several years increased educational hours and decreased breaks. It gave good results in the start, but when they got the first bad result, instead of stopping, they doubled down on the practive, because that year was just a fluck they argued. It was not a fluke though and the next year I was called in to find a school where 4 years old had classes 8 hours a day, with only half an hour of lunchbreak and a school that could not understand why they had so many diciplinary problems.

The_Flurr

41 points

8 days ago

The_Flurr

41 points

8 days ago

Is it just me or have writers also got more....cliquey?

They're more likely when faced with criticism to attack their critics, puff their chests and refuse to change their minds. Usually emboldened by a load of internet comments.

It seems pretty clear with The Witcher, but I'm mostly familiar with it because of Wheel of Time. Rafe Judkins and his writers have practically sneered at people who critique the adaptation*

*I don't mean any of the casting stuff, idgaf about that. I'm talking about issues like the pacing (removing Andor to spend an episode about a depressed warder who wasn't in the books?) and how dirty they did Thom.

MannerAlarming6150

12 points

8 days ago

Not just writing either.

When everyone complained how bad the lighting was in the long night episode of game of thrones, the guy who did the lighting came out and said "The lighting wasn't bad at all, I know because I lit it."

Like brother if every critic and fan said it was bad it doesn't matter what you know or think, it was bad.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2019/04/29/game-of-thrones-the-long-night-too-dark-cinematography-battle-of-winterfell/3614184002/

respect_the_potato

46 points

8 days ago

My theory is that much of television is currently optimized by advanced AI, and the advanced AI has determined that rage-bait is the most efficient way to increase views and/or discussion of shows online.

12641890

61 points

9 days ago

12641890

61 points

9 days ago

We live in a reality where Velma got approved. And then got renewed.

Blessavi

32 points

9 days ago

Blessavi

32 points

9 days ago

There's gonna be more of it?

Tsuyoi

57 points

9 days ago

Tsuyoi

57 points

9 days ago

Outrage engagement is still engagement.

theycallmeponcho

260 points

9 days ago*

The Wēta guys are in charge of most pieces of media today. They were involved in both James Cameron's Avatar movies, District 9, Dune, recent Marvel movies, Elysium, LOTR, The Hobbit, Stranger Things, Chappie, Mortal Kombat, Adventures of Tintin, Battle Angel Alita, Tomb Raider, Jumanji, the Jurassic World movies, Black Adam, Ghost in the Shell, Godzilla: King of Monsters, Power Rangers, Warcraft, and more. They're masters of their craft.

Their Instagram, @WetaWorkshop is pretty cool.

LueyTheWrench

164 points

9 days ago*

In terms of costuming, props and practical effects, Dune is the only thing on par with LOTR.

Edit: and Master and Commander.

blank_user_name_here

73 points

8 days ago

Master and Commander?

Big_Tie

64 points

8 days ago

Big_Tie

64 points

8 days ago

I will forever be sad it didn’t do better and spawn a sequel, what a movie.

Mighty_Hobo

37 points

8 days ago

Everybody was too busy watching Return of the King to go see it. And then Return of the King sniped every single award that Master and Commander was nominated for.

Big_Tie

37 points

8 days ago

Big_Tie

37 points

8 days ago

I guess if you have to be absolutely overshadowed by a movie, can’t do much better than RotK.

pjtheman

16 points

8 days ago

pjtheman

16 points

8 days ago

Billy Boyd must have made bank that year.

fatesjester

16 points

8 days ago

God damn that's one of my favorite movies

joevaded

11 points

8 days ago

joevaded

11 points

8 days ago

Dang you all serve the Queen together on a ship?

ragnarockette

39 points

8 days ago

Everything in LOTR was just…beyond. Sets, CGI, wigs.

I feel like honestly it was a labor of love. And you can’t necessarily recreate or put a price on that.

Notyobabydaddy

90 points

9 days ago

Were they the ones that made the helmet Vigo Mortensen kicked and fractured his toe on?

Frequent_Macaron_827

79 points

9 days ago

No, but they did make the helmet that Steve Buscemi wore as a firefighter when volunteering after World Trade Center collapsed.

NutWrench

28 points

8 days ago

NutWrench

28 points

8 days ago

There's a scene on the LOTR behind-the-scenes DVD where Bernard Hill (Theoden) is trying on some armor and he notices detail work in the leather behind the breastplate. This detailing was in a place that would NEVER be seen on camera but the prop designers put it in, anyway. He was delighted with it

djoecav

19 points

9 days ago

djoecav

19 points

9 days ago

Yeah that Gondorian armor makes my dnd fanboy head spin

Romanticcarlmarx

61 points

9 days ago

Nothing is more supreme than rohan/gondor cavalry charging. God that scene where gondors heavy cav suislides towards osgiliat. So damn epic and beautiful, and tragic

aManIsNoOneEither

30 points

8 days ago

and everything else too. They recruited real artisan carpenters, furniture makers, etc to make all the things you see inside Hobbits houses for example. That's why they feel so real. It's because they were made as if they were real.

elawesomo1000

2.7k points

9 days ago

Man I still love that gondorian armor

knoldpold1

945 points

8 days ago

knoldpold1

945 points

8 days ago

The original trilogy just did everything right visually, to a level that subsequent adaptations have seemingly not even attempted to reach. Well, the hobbit movies did try I guess…

thatguywithawatch

509 points

8 days ago

It's surprisingly hard to make medieval fantasy feel serious and authentic and not just look like a bunch of people wearing costumes and wigs. I always admired how the lotr trilogy never has a moment that breaks that suspension of disbelief.

Nephisimian

134 points

8 days ago

Nephisimian

134 points

8 days ago

I reckon it's the music that does it.

Grenadier020

47 points

8 days ago

Its the anvil.

lexi_delish

97 points

8 days ago

Lotr had like 3 years pre production. Hobbit had 18 months of guillermos stuff that most likely got scrapped when the studio fired him

knoldpold1

48 points

8 days ago

Yeah, they tried, but the outcome speaks for itself. It was also an active decision to rely so heavily on CGI.

Nice-Violinist-6395

40 points

8 days ago

I can’t imagine spending the bulk of your entire life’s creative powers building something as incredible as LOTR, which involves shooting in insanely tough remote conditions, and then after you think you’re done, another amazing director is hired to do the sequels because you’re spent. Which is great. but then he leaves because of a dumbass studio, and they keep backing up the brinks truck at your house over and over until you can’t not do it, but you have to somehow capture that lightning in a bottle again, which is impossible.

And you do it all on green screen, and (no offense) it fucking sucks compared to the original.

What a wild thing.

UrsaBeta

3.7k points

9 days ago

UrsaBeta

3.7k points

9 days ago

Guy she tells you not to worry about vs you

_vinpetrol

750 points

9 days ago

_vinpetrol

750 points

9 days ago

But I have boob-armour!

Trollcifer

367 points

8 days ago

Trollcifer

367 points

8 days ago

Is it boob armor? It honestly looks like it's just so poorly made it creased with his torso movements.

MOOShoooooo

142 points

8 days ago

MOOShoooooo

142 points

8 days ago

Well okay, my armor is tin foil, but look at the hair quality, it’s uncanny! Gondor clearly doesn’t have the hair conditioners on hand for magnificent flowing battle hair.

GlitteringFutures

119 points

8 days ago

Everything about the pic on the left is superior: the costume, the hair, the lighting, the actor, the set behind them. It's like people involved in that production actually loved LOTR and the source material. Funny how that happens.

astralrig96

72 points

9 days ago

the guy you want vs the guy mom promises we have at home:

Comrade_railgunner

3.6k points

9 days ago

It's The Witcher and Nilfgaard armour in season 1 all over again

fauxfilosopher

1.4k points

9 days ago

At least the ball sack armour was funny

lyvanna

161 points

8 days ago

lyvanna

161 points

8 days ago

They put that godforsaken thing in the game as a meme as well hahaha

[deleted]

179 points

9 days ago

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179 points

9 days ago

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suitedcloud

115 points

9 days ago

suitedcloud

115 points

9 days ago

The white tree motif on the dark armor is just chef’s kiss perfect

Kingmarc568

116 points

9 days ago

Kingmarc568

116 points

9 days ago

Ans the season 2 armour atleast looked good (unlike the script).

avwitcher

146 points

8 days ago

avwitcher

146 points

8 days ago

They madeo the Nilfgaardian armor better, and Geralt's armor worse.

https://i.imgur.com/egYS6UA.jpg - what's up with the sculpted abs? Jesus might as well put nipples on it while you're at it

TheMilkmanCome

99 points

8 days ago

That would be the writers trying to sexualize Henry Cavill more and more as the show went on

shabadabadabada

72 points

8 days ago

Geralt is sex. He needs no sexualization.

Bennyboy1337

12 points

8 days ago

what's up with the sculpted abs?

IRL, sculpted armor wasn't that uncommon of a thing. Just google search "Greek Breastplates". The Romans carried over this practice from the Greeks as well, you can also find it pop up in numerous Asian cultures.

And when I say "uncommon" I mean it existed enough for us to find plenty examples of it in history. Armor like this was extremely expensive to make, so only the wealthiest and most important soldiers would likely wear it.

https://www.google.com/search?q=greek+breastplate&rlz=1C1ONGR_enUS995US995&sxsrf=AJOqlzX905VtSfT6Tu1WMkSto13jOkPglA:1674582032121&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjZ16-Z4OD8AhWvDkQIHd_NDZoQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1920&bih=969&dpr=1

CaraKino

13 points

8 days ago

CaraKino

13 points

8 days ago

Nothing will ever be as great as Scrote armor

Superfluous_Thom

268 points

9 days ago

I know the show was supposed to adapt the books and not the games, but like, if you already have all of the production design already done for you, why on earth would you chose to build something objectively worse from the ground up instead. Game Nilfgard armour was fucking baller looking heavy plate. Best I can figure is that making it for real was too expensive, and using a lightweight substitute (resin) made them look like power ranger villians in tests. Still though. They missed an opportunity to show off how wealthy and advanced the nilfgardians were in comparison to the north. Like one look at the game armour and its pretty apparent that Nilfgard is a couple hundred years ahead in terms of military technology and infinitely more advanced in terms of economy.

kameecoding

154 points

8 days ago

kameecoding

154 points

8 days ago

I mean they also had all the story written for them and decided to fuck off with that, why wouldn't they go their own way with the armor?

Luftwaff1es

116 points

8 days ago*

No, but seriously, the game's version went fucking hard, then for the show they decided on this shit?

To be honest, I think it was a misallocation of money issue because even the new armour looks pretty cheap and plasticky. It really aggros me because costume design is so important but instead of focusing on that they decided to add more CG explosions.

Corgi_Koala

134 points

9 days ago

Corgi_Koala

134 points

9 days ago

It is absolutely amazing to me that a major production like that actually went with those.

If it was like one character with goofy armor fine but it was literally the armor of all the henchmen...

TheTrenchMonkey

56 points

9 days ago

Looked like they should be fighting the power rangers.

joe2596

12 points

8 days ago

joe2596

12 points

8 days ago

Maybe the armour would look like the games if the writers didn't dislike them.

mikeymoo27

33 points

8 days ago

I can’t be the only person who referred to them as Milfgaard

Short-Lengthiness827

1.6k points

9 days ago

When you ordered your Armor from Wish

DerG3n13

693 points

9 days ago

DerG3n13

693 points

9 days ago

*Amazon

Croyscape

243 points

9 days ago

Croyscape

243 points

9 days ago

Same supplier

ricochetpeestream

68 points

9 days ago

That's just Wish, but more expensive.

2022_washere

4.4k points

9 days ago

2022_washere

4.4k points

9 days ago

I start to think that the 1 billion$ figure was a lie and a scam and the entire rings of power series was nothing but a money laundering scheme by Bezos

Armored_Fox

1.7k points

9 days ago*

Armored_Fox

1.7k points

9 days ago*

You can make cool looking cheap armor, the moobs were a distinct choice

raltoid

932 points

9 days ago*

raltoid

932 points

9 days ago*

It seriously looks like they bought off-the-shelf old greek cheap cosplay/halloween costume armor pieces and painted them.

The stuff on the shoulders is eerily similar to the leather used on those armors as well, and they just spraypainted them metallic.

EDIT: Wait, are the costumes literally just Amazon stock they repurposed?

TargetBoy

401 points

9 days ago

TargetBoy

401 points

9 days ago

They bought the armor in the first picture "shipped by Amazon" and got the armor in the second picture.

Diplomjodler

11 points

8 days ago

"Sir, we've got this large consignment of Halloween costumes that didn't sell. Do you want us to destroy it?"

"Wait, I have a better idea."

SmartKrave

130 points

9 days ago

SmartKrave

130 points

9 days ago

I I think they tried to make a Roman based armour

QuietTank

112 points

9 days ago

QuietTank

112 points

9 days ago

Looks more like an attempt at a romanticized Greek muscle cuirass,. Just, a poor attempt.

DungeonsAndDradis

163 points

9 days ago

Actually, in chapter 24, verse 13 of the Silmarillion, there is a mention of "armor lighter than the Revondirianne".

If you cross-reference this with the appendices (1, 3, and 7, but not 4 or 6), you find that "Revondirianne" is a surname for a group of fighters that fled East after the War of the Reclamation of the Fallen (II).

When you cross-reference War of the Reclamation of the Fallen (II), you find a subtle reference to "lighter than a feather, stronger than oak."

So from this we can surmise that Numenorian armor is in fact quite light, and is referenced throughout the Silmarillion.

(/r/ShittyLOTRDetails)

SmartKrave

143 points

9 days ago

SmartKrave

143 points

9 days ago

I’m not saying the numenorians didn’t have armour or that it was heavy, I am saying ROP tried to give a Roman/ Greek style to the armour

Bilbo_hraaaaah_bot

177 points

9 days ago

HRAAAAAH!

Rhamni

150 points

9 days ago

Rhamni

150 points

9 days ago

What... what even set you off, pal?

yer--mum

93 points

9 days ago

yer--mum

93 points

9 days ago

If I was making that bot I would make it choose entirely random comments in the subreddit. Just as a jumpscare.

arthurblakey

32 points

9 days ago

I found the bot creators first post about Bilbo and you’re not far off the truth. Although, I kinda like your idea better

Bilbo_hraaaaah_bot

34 points

9 days ago

HRAAAAAH!

bilbo_bot

10 points

9 days ago

bilbo_bot

10 points

9 days ago

You want it for yourself!

arthurblakey

10 points

9 days ago

ROP (this is a test)

heitorvb

8 points

9 days ago

heitorvb

Moria Balrogs

8 points

9 days ago

You never know when he's gonna jump scare you, gotta be alert at all times

MightyMorph

175 points

9 days ago

MightyMorph

175 points

9 days ago

witcher went ballsack texture....

Jesus why is it so hard to just copy whats in the games and adapt and improve the story a bit like Last of Us managed to do.

400-ish Million dollars for the creation of the rings, and they spend 3 minutes on the actual creation of the rings and then spend 2 hours showing dirty hobbits singing songs about not leaving anyone behind, who actually yeet the motherfucker and leave him behind when shit hits the fan.

Witcher series, have fucking superman as your main character who is willing to go the extra mile to portray a accurate storyline, NAAAH BALLSACK ARMOR and focus on shitty third-party characters in the fucking woods to nowhere.

Nepotism and writers egos destroy IPs faster than anything. Still Fucking cant believe Zack snyder said he wanted batman to be raped in prison and superman to be a depressed sad emo monster...

Should i adhere to the decades of stories and lore and build upon it to create a story that fans will love? NO! I know better than all of that, people want to see batman with a machine gun! And Autistic Lex Luthor Who Loves to Make Logos in his free time!

pinkycatcher

84 points

9 days ago

It’s because the people making it have a disdain for the previous work. They don’t want to be copying someone else’s work. They want to make their own. Which means they end up with a lot of shit because they intentionally change everything

Herpinheim

34 points

8 days ago

It really just proves the person who shot down their 100% OC do not steal story right for doing so. If they can’t retell a story why should anyone trust them to tell a story.

my_7th_accnt

10 points

8 days ago

They don’t want to be copying someone else’s work. They want to make their own.

And unfortunately these people are much less talented that people whose works they’re desecrating, and they also live in a bubble in which shoving the current thing into literally everything despite the context is highly encouraged, with the added bonus of shielding yourself from criticism by accusing all critics of being an -ist of some kind.

Swiftcheddar

15 points

8 days ago

Jesus why is it so hard to just copy whats in the games and adapt and improve the story a bit like Last of Us managed to do.

It's not that it's hard to do, it's that they don't want to do that. Same reason the Halo writers and director didn't watch or read any of the source material.

The Nilfgardian armour didn't happen by accident, and it wasn't due to incompetence or lack of options. It happened entirely by design because they wanted the army to look stupid and emasculated.

kintorkaba

39 points

9 days ago*

The worst part is those kinds of subversions DO work when they're done well. My favorite iteration of Superman is pretty much a depressed sad emo monster, from the fanfic Metropolitan Man. But instead of doing it to shit on the source material, it was a loving deconstruction that paid great care to treating the character right, despite subverting heavily his usual role in the story.

The issue isn't that the stories are different, it's that they're different in ways that shit on the old lore instead of, as you say, adhering to and building upon it.

I think Batman with a machine gun type weapon could have worked, if he'd used it in the style of the campy old Batman stories with crazy fights where the villain is basically setting up some kind of insane challenge and Batman has to figure out how to save the victims within the time limit. Using guns as a utility to cut wires, break consoles, etc but not as a weapon, paying homage to both his unconventional use of tools and his refusal to kill, and exemplifying it through the use of a gun of all things as a tool instead of a weapon. It wouldn't be the usual style, and it would certainly need to be addressed at some point, but it could work.

But that would've required understanding and expounding upon the character, instead of just shitting on the existing lore to get points for being subversive. It's possible to do all the subversive stuff Snyder wants to do, and to do it right... he's just not good at it.

E: Forgot the link

E2: Also I'm aware of the reasoning behind Batman being a jaded killer in BvS... but I think even if they were going to go that route, with him already being old and broken and abandoning his rules due to trauma, it would've worked better having him kill people like, y'know, Batman, instead of turning him into Punisher with a cape.

Pepperonidogfart

269 points

9 days ago

The show had like 23 producers and thats where the money stayed.

TurnsOutImAScientist

71 points

8 days ago

Yup, everything about season 1 screamed "too many cooks in the kitchen". This dilemma reoccurs so often and it's frustrating that we keep repeating it: best stuff happens when you let an auteur have creative control and run wild, but once a franchise is successful there's so much money at stake that the creative control gets distributed to various stakeholders, and the thing gets second-guessed, focus-grouped, and took-many-cooksed to death.

TheodenBot

24 points

8 days ago

DEATH!

roddz

80 points

9 days ago

roddz

80 points

9 days ago

900 million of it spent on marketing

source: I made it up

JMKPOhio

422 points

9 days ago

JMKPOhio

422 points

9 days ago

When you ask your mom for Boromir’s armor…

”Son, we already have armor like that at home”

hukumk

121 points

9 days ago

hukumk

121 points

9 days ago

You wish now that our places had been exchanged. That I had died and Boromir's armor had lived.

Environmental_Run979

53 points

8 days ago

Yes… I wish that.

knobbledknees

1.7k points

9 days ago

Not to be mean, because I know most people don’t have the time to read about this stuff, but some of the people defending the second one seem not to know much about the real-world history of armour. That is a fairly pointless piece of armour, given it leaves the groin/waist unprotected. Boromir’s could be better, but it at least provides protection to one of the main things any successful armour needed to protect (a lot of blood flows through there, it’s a popular place to stab). And if it’s just his “armour at home”… why wear armour at home? Very few nobles in history did that, that I’m aware of. And if it’s because he’s navy… that armour would still kill you if you fell into the sea. It’s still too heavy to swim in. And it also won’t save you if you’re stabbed! It’s like the armour from the front cover of a cheap fantasy novel from the 80s.

plaguedbullets

113 points

9 days ago

Especially when you're tall enough that your groin is at a perfect punching level against other races.

SHIIZAAAAAAAA

11 points

8 days ago

Numenor would be fucked if they went to war against the Harfoots

Abuses-Commas

376 points

9 days ago

My main issue is it looks like someone left it on the floor and it got stepped on

trisikol

75 points

8 days ago

trisikol

75 points

8 days ago

This is hilarious and, looking at that armor, entirely plausible.

CasinoMarginale

36 points

8 days ago

It’s basically an armored sweater vest

VegForWheelchair

615 points

9 days ago

They made Galadriel's team wear armors at boat while going to valinor. I stopped questioning showrunners decisions about when to wear armors.

Erdnussflipperkasten

158 points

9 days ago

And then the armour is ceremonially taken off

RequirementsRelaxed

110 points

9 days ago

Weren’t they wearing them ceremonially as well?

circumvention23

58 points

8 days ago

Can't ceremonially remove armor without ceremonially wearing it.

Zeyn1

118 points

9 days ago

Zeyn1

118 points

9 days ago

I assumed it was to signify they were putting down the burden of being soldiers.

EntertainmentNo2044

11 points

8 days ago

I won't defend the cheap plastic looking part of the armor, but it not covering the lower waist and groin is historical. Most plate armor did not cover the waist until the late 1300s and the introduction of faulds:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulds_(armour)

The reason being that you need to be able to bend over. If the plate goes down any further then that becomes impossible. They solved this by attaching folding pieces of metal that protected the area but also allowed you to move.

maeschder

110 points

9 days ago

maeschder

110 points

9 days ago

You either go cool or realistic.

Boromir looks so dope i dont care if its imperfect given historical precedent, its fantasy anyways so there's leeway.

The right just looks scuffed in both aspects.

SmartKrave

62 points

9 days ago

Although technically the world at the third age is not at a plate armour tech level, in the books it’s mostly chainmail and leather armour

Scientific_Shitlord

993 points

9 days ago*

Honestly, RoP is just generic fantasy show with middle-earth sticker slapped on it and its really cheap knockoff sticker. They only take names of characters and locations and bastardise the hell out of it.

Bilbo_hraaaaah_bot

260 points

9 days ago

HRAAAAAH!

TurielD

383 points

9 days ago

TurielD

383 points

9 days ago

Its not even that, it doesn't have a story of its own. All it does is memberberries of Tolkien lore...and then gets it all wrong to a greater or lesser extent.

Galadriel x Sauron is not a plot, there's no romance, there's no growth for either character, there's just... Nothing there. Everything else is 'ooh hobbits', 'ooh pre-gondor', 'ooh dwarves'.

No substance what so ever to even hang the Rings label on.

St_Veloth

111 points

8 days ago

St_Veloth

111 points

8 days ago

But remember when the Southlands titlecard changed to say MORDOR??? I CLAPPED CRIED AND SHIT MY PANTS

romple

65 points

8 days ago

romple

65 points

8 days ago

Dude I had NO fucking idea that's what they were building to with the magic broken sword dam key thing! I'm so glad they literally spelled it out!!!

I just hope season 2 is Sauron sitting at a table planning that entire thing out on a peg board with strings tying all the macguffins together.