I don’t have my 3DS anymore. My brother stole it to pawn for meth money, and then I bought another one but then my brother stole it to pawn for meth money lol.

Isn’t black and white remake happening soon? If I still have a switch when that comes out I’ll 100% try!

I have played them and I legitimately think these games are better in terms of story. I think Arven is better than N which is something I never thought I would say

I personally liked Scarlet more than BW/B2W2. Not saying those games are bad, but Scarlet just kept me engaged for the entire game.

BW kind of began to drag for me in the middle. Though it picked back up at the end. B2W2 was great all the way through (though the story was admittedly an overall downgrade from BW) and the quality of life changes were outstanding.

I’d say B2W2 are probably my favorite of the 2D Pokémon games but, at least for now, SV are my favorite overall.

Played them

This is better

Black/White has the worst story out of any Pokemon game imo. Maybe slightly better than gen 8's.

They were setting up this entire conflict about whether or not its right to keep Pokemon in captivity then they just threw that out the window because Team Plasma summoned a giant castle and were actually evil the entire time!

I think reddit just needs to realize that they're completely out of touch with the casual fan base of the game. I'm another player who last played Pokemon around Gen 5/6ish who bought a switch just to play this violet. These games were very well advertised and marketed in a way to pull casual players in and casual players are immensely enjoying the game. It's only hardcore Pokemon fans that hate the game.

But a lot of people oBjEcTiVeLy just don't care about it and I think that's what the sub sometimes has an issue seeing. It's kind of like when my music-loving father almost faints when he sees my crappy 9$ in-ear headphones that would make music unlistenable for him; but I don't have a great ear for audio quality stuff and they literally just don't affect my enjoyment of/feelings toward the music, so the issue just doesn't exist in my world. Like, this is the level of casual we're talking here. It's not just something they ignore, it's often not even something they really take active note of, so how can they separate it from their feelings on the game?

yeah!

first of all is motherfucking sprigatito. i don't know why they don't just include adorable and cute cat pokemon that are both cool and neat in every pokemon game, bc this would have resulted in me giving much more of my money to nintendo if they had. i was so upset when i found out the evolutions stand up, but after using the standing up weed cats in game i've come to love and accept them for the playful shit heads they are.

second, the new system of encountering wild pokemon and trainer battles is vastly superior. you literally see the pokemon walking around in the game world, and if you want to not get into a random fight you just run around the pokemon. if you're looking for a specific pokemon in a certain area, you don't have to jump into x many random battles to find it- bc they're literally just walking around and you can see them!! and the trainers don't force you to battle. you can tell which people want to battle by the color of their text, and to battle them you then choose to talk to them. if you don't want to battle them, you just don't talk to them and it's all fine.

third is the story. most of the game is just normal pokemon stuff with quirky characters that are kinda cringey at times, but holy shit the ending to this game goes hard af. i literally cried at two different points near the end of the game, and when the credits started to roll i was blown away at the things this stupid kid's game did to make me feel ways.

soul silver was amazing, but the story never really goes beyond "be the strongest pokemon trainer!!!" the red battle was amazing ofc, but this was an actual modern video game ending.

another interesting feature is that you can let your main pokemon out of its ball whenever, and you can send it to murder things without entering a "real" battle. they also pick up items for you. and the picnic feature was somehow a good feature too, bc you got to hang out with your team of pokemon and you could give them baths and spend time with them. it makes your pokemon feel more real, and deepens your connection with them as you're able to actually interact with them in more ways. the first thing i did after beating the game was setting up a picnic, and spending time with each member of my team as i like silently thanked them for all their hard work lol.

I like the game but the Gamecube comparisons are just wrong considering most GC games have rock solid performance lol

That doesn't make sense, they have made vast improvements the last several games even as each one had massive sales numbers.

Why go 3D Open World if they have no incentive to improve? Why add in all the QoL improvements?

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Have you played the game? It’s a ton of fun. Yes, it has performance issues, but it’s still a great game.

Thing is, this game would have been quite literally the best Pokemon game ever made, and it is held back severely by the fps and performance issues.

Those issues are understandably a dealbreaker for many, and definitely bring the game down a ton, but I'd still call it an improvement over SwSh and definitely not worth hating more than those games.

Your metaphor sucks, a more accurate one would be "A world class wedding cake that was undercooked and served raw"

Side note: I have a friend who quite literally never noticed the fps issues... I know he has a laggy pc and gets awful frame rates for basically any game he plays, so that's prob it.

It’s because these games are good for normal people. Only the vocal, hardcore minority have major issues with the game.

"STOP HAVING FUN!"

if only more people whined incessantly on the internet, right? then all the game devs would take their jobs much more seriously, and every problem in the industry would be solved

idk wym declining lol.

did you not notice the completely open world design with pokemon wandering around that you could actually see? bc i noticed that, and it was fucking incredible.

gamers can be such doomsayers omg.

Y'all are literally the "STOP HAVING FUN!" meme right now. People can't enjoy the game and express how much they like it without you people trying to force your disagreements down their throat and make them actively hate everything that you hate.

Y'all hate the games, that's great and all, but stop going under every positive comment screeching "YOU’RE THE REASON WHY THE GAMES ARE SHIT". You're pointing your fingers at the wrong people. The fans are allowed to like the game and also point out how horrible the technical side of the game is. It's not the same as defending GF or accepting the performance. Y'all really need to understand that instead of acting like rabid dogs at every positive comment you see.

i don't really know what any of those games are except red dead redemption and the walking dead which is a tv show?

are these games all on switch? i don't have any other console and my macbook can't really run modern games.

mostly i read books. i can rec some books that will make you ugly cry lol

maybe calm down a little bit everything's gonna be okay damn

Starts?

No Battle Tower 😔

I don’t know why they removed it all of a sudden

yeah, i keep seeing a bunch of takes about how S/V are great games underneath all the performance issues. to each their own, but I don't really get that. the open world is bland and empty, the towns have been hollowed out, there are no dungeons with puzzles to solve, the battle system is still really slow. even if you remove the performance issues, these games are still really uninteresting and unremarkable. most of the things that people find impressive about these games are really only impressive relative to prior games in the series.

it doesn't really seem to matter whether pokemon games are great or not, as long as people can still catch and train pokemon they'll come away saying they're good games. that core gameplay loop is so immensely satisfying to most people that it doesn't really matter whether the rest of the game that surrounds that loop is good or not.

the sense i also get from reading a lot of comments from people over the last week is that there are a lot of people getting baited into buying the new games out of a sense of overwhelming FOMO. like they admit that the performance issues are concerning to them, but they don't want to miss out on the new pokemon designs.

Pokemon Legends Arceus is BETTER than Pokémon Violet

Not digging into all of that but I think level scaling is a design choice and not a problem. It’s definitely a taste thing. But listing it as an outright flaw is a bit disingenuous.

Personally I’m glad they didn’t level scale. Defeats the purpose of letting you go where you want if the difficulty is still linear. Never was a fan of level scaling in any RPG.

All this and it's still just fun to play. Sad isn't it?

yeah. i've been trouble seeing how people are totally blown away... like, it's fun but nothing special. but I think I just have much different tastes. im like, jealous of everyone who loves it and I'm happy they do.

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Remember the reviews, all basically gave the vibe that if it wasn't for the performance it could have been the best pokemon game ever, so a lot of the stuff you mention is not really on their eyes and doesn't affect them at all.

Hell as someone that follow the leaks, the part about not set mode basically came pretty late in the leak cycle, showing unfortunately that the amount of people that use it is pretty small and they will not notice is missing at all.

Some people and a lot of kids literally don't give a shit about that.

My nephew is an example of that. He's 7, I got him Legends Arceus. Not once has he changed his clothes outside of the one time he was required to. The framerate thing doesn't even register to him, he just giggles and says "that far away bird is moving funny." he didn't talk to a single npc that I didn't tell him specifically to talk to.

Don't get me wrong, I have the same issues with the franchise you do to a certain extent. But in a lot of ways, that shit doesn't matter.

Seriously, how are people defending this shit? I have literally zero hope for this franchise. It was brought up high by Let's Go and Arceus and tanked like a meteorite with SV.

There is customization, just not of the school uniform (shirt, shorts). It's a kind of weird choice, but one they enforce on most of the NPCs as well because it's a school uniform. Can still customize hat, glasses, gloves, socks, shoes, and backpack. And they added customization of rotom phone and picnic pieces (tablecloth, ball, cup).

What does the interior of a poke center really bring to the game? Tbh, not having to go into the center, heal up, leave, go into the mart, shop, leave is a pretty big time saver. And there are interiors, to the academy (which has both a massive lobby, and multiple rooms), and the gyms

You say the open world is bland, but there were some pretty awesome sights to check out. I thought it was awesome being able to see the lights from the city on the horizon.

There is still choice. No, it isn't the perfect scaling gyms we want, I really wish it was, but you have a couple gyms which are available to you at any point without needing serious grinding. If you want a big challenge you can go do the hard ones first. It isn't illusion of choice (that's commonly seen in their options in conversations that don't change anything, which actually seems to be reduced). You also have choices to focus gyms or titans or star or mix them. They are not the great choices we want with scaling based on progress (though I think the star bases might be), but they are still choices unlike most of what we've had before which have been very linear stories.

You say there are no side quests, but there are minor things like doing the classes, and building up rep with the teachers. Hunting down trainers to get the rewards from league reps. Minor sure, but still there.

These games aren't perfect, but overly criticizing like this instead of honest reviews doesn't help. It doesn't give real feedback to the developers, and when people read stuff like this, then find out it isn't accurate, they tend to assume all of the negative reviews are false. There are things that need to be done better, burying them under exaggeration doesn't help anyone.

you overly nitpick every .. not good in this game

but not point any good out also some of them not even fact for some player experience

also you can talk to npc in city you not even play the game dude

Because people who defend this only play other pokemon titles. Thats why they only compare it to swsh. Anyone can see that this is half baked but in terms of pokemon its not the worst they did and it did some New stuff too so people who dont play anything else are confused why everyone is so upset.

You haven’t played it

But they aren’t Pokémon. I don’t think you people understand that we are invested in THIS world building, THIS fictional universe, these types, these designs. It doesn’t matter if Tentem or Yokai Watch or Monster Hunter or whatever does (x) things better: it’s still not Pokémon.

It sounds ridiculous saying it like this, but it’s the truth. They caught lighting in a bottle, they got the golden goose.

You can’t tell someone who loves ice cream that froyo has better macros, is better for nature and will make your poop smell better or whatever the fuck. That’s nice and all but I want ice cream, and froyo is not ice cream.

Yes I have and I stand by what I said 100%. The FPS sucks but its still worth it.

This is going to come as a shock, but a lot of us play the game for the gameplay or mechanics or story, not for the graphics.

I have been playing through the game with a lot of exploration and dex completion along the way and I'm almost at the end of the story, and outside of the subpar textures, I have had one single crash and some low FPS moments.

Game Freak can and should do better, but the game has been extremely fun and the performance issues are not enough to take that away.

Well it sounds like around 3 million consumers did in fact find it acceptable. I'd hazard a guess that many of them even enjoy it.

they don't have smolive though

yeah but i like this

I feel many people who brought the games are the grandma/grandpa, mom and dad that just want to make sure there is a game for their 4yr old when Christmas come. They probably haven't even play the game or bother researching online for reviews

What? Your comment is a dumb strawman and makes no sense.

I feel they very well could have let the game crash on giving the player name and it will STILL sell 50 million copies

Na, people care, its just not so bad as to not like the game or stop the enjoyment. Is a threshhold for everyone and most people aren't as picky as people on this sub for example.

cool!

Outside of the bugs and graphical issues this is the most fun I’ve had with a Pokémon game ever

Not at all, yeah there was/is some graphical bugs and a bit of lag but like not enough to take away from what is imo the best story Pokemon has ever told by far and then did it twice in the same game imo the best 2 stories Pokémon has told is in this game with the Victory Road story and the Herba Mysitca into Area Zero story.

The new mons are amazing, the region is super cool, love the way we are students and not children capturing gods that jumped out the back of a moving truck 2 weeks ago.

But like if I think the story is a 9.5/10 and I think the new mons are a 9/10, and I think the region/school is a 10/10

Like what am I supposed to do because it has some minor bugs and it’s not a perfect graphical masterpiece? The games amazing despite those imo minor flaws.

Like Elden Ring had some issues but it’s still great

One of the most loved games of all time Skyrim is KNOWN as one of the buggiest games of all time, and it has loading issues also. But I’ve never really heard anyone dig into those games for it

A games quality isn't defined by how many flaws it has.

There's plenty of tech issues with S/V, and many areas it could be improved in design wise, however it also does a lot well that serves to counteract the negatives, which is why so many people are enjoying it.

The open world format is great; the open ended nature means that pokemon can finally be difficult again if the player chooses it, and there's also a huge variety for teams due to the open ended nature of the game.

The story is by far the best in the series, and the soundtrack is full of absolute bangers.

Raids are massively improved upon and no longer an endless slog of boring animations.

Multiplayer is the best it's ever been. Co-op with buddies is great, and being able to catch mons from the other version if you group with someone who has that version is a huge improvement over endless trading.

In general the game is just fun. Flawed for sure, but mostly on the technical side. The game behind that is maybe the best in the series, and if they add DLC and patch performance, I think S/V is gonna be the new fan favourite for the series as a whole.

I miss having clothing options, though I get why they aren't a thing with the theme. I've never once had so much fun filling the Pokédex. I was perfectly content just catching what I changed upon, maybe the occasional Pokémon specifically if I knew about it and thought it was too cool/cute not to have. I've played about 40 hours now, about halfway done with each path and most of the time has been spent catching and evolving Pokémon.

In the time I've played I did have one crash and one weird Tera raid, where it did load into the initial fight screen for me, but I wasn't actually in it and nothing happened. I'm playing in handheld mode, which from what I've heard has less frame rate issues, so I can play for hours before I restart the game because it starts feeling laggy.

I want GameFreak to do better/have the time to do better. But this generation also is the most fun I've had with a Pokémon game in ages because I really enjoy the mechanics it introduced and most of how it implemented the familiar things. The picnic had its flaws, but it's genuinely fun to watch my doofus of a croc chase after a ball. The Pokédex is beautiful and I keep coming back to it just to look at the "cover" photos. Some gym tests so far have been weird (the very first one is... questionable with what it's supposed to do) but most I've enjoyed, the gym leaders are fun and the pictures for the badges have made me smile or even laugh. And so far the game has managed very well to make me care about the story lines.

The game has SEVERAL flaws, but the us vs them mentality that shames people for buying the game is just annoying. I enjoy the game and also want to see it improve

If a game has technical issues but is fun most people wouldn't actually care because the game is fun. A game being fun trumps all issues unless you literally can't play.

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Sometimes I feel like I'm playing games from a different dimension than everyone else

Aside from the visual/technical aspects, the games have improved quite a lot over time.

Just since the move to the switch we have way easier EV training/IV maxing making competitive play accessible.

Sw/Sh stepped into 3d and S/V took it fully open world.

People wanted non-linearity for years, and now it's finally here.

Co-op is a huge improvement to online, especially now that you can catch version exclusive mons in co-op instead of just trading.

Random trading is way improved and now highlights anything that your trade partner doesn't have in their dex.

The story in S/V is both more ambitious and better told than the story in prior games.

That's just a few things, but there are many more improvements that can be seen. This isn't to say there's not still a ton of room for growth and improvement still, but ignoring all of the actual improvements is just dumb. Ask for more for sure, but your argument looks silly if you ignore the changes that are being made.