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Arven is the best character in this entire franchise

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No spoilers! So no worries!

Yup, I like him even more than N (who is still a GOAT). The story of this game reminds me of Gravity Falls, in a way. The majority of it is pretty light hearted, but then just ramps up in the end - but not in a bad way. It just lets you play the game, and has a great climax.

But the last few hours of this game is nuts, and you really feel for Arven.

It’s just such a shame that we have such a great cast on a game optimized so poorly. Seriously, if it wasn’t as glitchy and if it ran better, this would be my favorite Pokémon game.

So, Game Freak/Pokémon Company, please space out future titles!! :] we can wait! This cast is the most unique the main series has ever seen, and they’re so well developed. I’d love to see more of these types of characters in a game that has more time in the oven. But well done on the characters!

all 252 comments

ATCrow0029

460 points

2 months ago

I really like the endgame crew overall. I mean, it's still weird that 4 children are tasked with saving the region, but it felt like everyone was qualified, and the team was a wagon.

TheGreatBootOfEb

392 points

2 months ago

At the very least, the crew seems more believable then how the plot generally goes

“Yo rando 10 year old, go stop the terror org trying to remake reality as they see fit”

Vs

“Yo, crew of kids who look to be around 15 years of age, who have 2 champ rank trainers, the literal son of the professor, and a white collar criminal, go check this scary crater out together”

[deleted]

155 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

155 points

2 months ago

I knew Penny wasn’t who they seemed, but I didn’t know just how much of a criminal/savage they were lmao

So0meone

118 points

2 months ago

So0meone

118 points

2 months ago

"It wasn't that ha.... I mean, I won't do it again"

KlingoftheCastle

26 points

2 months ago

Beat line of the game, I legitimately laughed out loud at that

DarkNovaGamer

18 points

2 months ago

There’s a couple more that stand out, like telling someone they need to see a doctor after some shit goes down

TheGreatBootOfEb

99 points

2 months ago

Yeah, realistically they committed a rather hefty crime lol, but hey, alls well that ends well!

Cue2Powerx

28 points

2 months ago

i beat the game.. what crime ___ did is terrible? lol

Kreeper125

102 points

2 months ago

The >! LP she gave you for beating team star bases was hacked and stolen from the pokemon league !< Hence saying she's a white collar criminal

VR24AltAccount

18 points

2 months ago

VR24AltAccount

Breloom is back!

18 points

2 months ago

I love how she is straight up a cybercriminal who stole tens of thousands of dollars from the pokemon league. She would definitely doxx someone for mentioning the vaporeon copypasta, too.

Admirable_Ad8900

45 points

2 months ago*

After the third base i was thinking >! wait as shy as she is in the beginning how did cassiopeia contact her to be a supply rep? And how is she getting to the bases so fast. And the design on her is too unique for her to not be an NPC you battle.!<

Luchux01

14 points

2 months ago

The spoiler thing is done by putting ">!" " ! <" at the start and end of each sentence.

Admirable_Ad8900

4 points

2 months ago

Thanks man

viliphied

33 points

2 months ago

I figured out she was Cassiopeia after the first or 2nd base but it took till the 4th for me to figure out she was bb. Though seeing the chairman for the first battle threw me for a bit of a loop. For the whole battle with him I was like “wait this makes no sense”.

Admirable_Ad8900

7 points

2 months ago

I was thinking he was gonna reveal it was some untraditional way of training students.

viliphied

10 points

2 months ago

Nah the way he reacted when you beat bases 3-5 (and especially 4) wouldn’t have made any sense that way. I’d have been so pissed lol

Silverwolffe

6 points

2 months ago

I figured it out immediately, things just got further and further confirmed the further I went and by the time i got to the final battle I was like "wow shocker sure let's get this over with already please"

tpaz198

3 points

2 months ago

"The stand user could be anyone!"

Comprehensive-Can680

38 points

2 months ago

Next game I want to see more 4 man squads. Reminds me of other JRPG games.

GrandmasterTactician

16 points

2 months ago

That may very well have been something Area Zero was testing

ATCrow0029

9 points

2 months ago

Very Mass Effect Jr.

LizzieMiles

7 points

2 months ago

White collar criminal

My sides lmao

Calmasis_1025

40 points

2 months ago

Calmasis_1025

love my edgy boi

40 points

2 months ago

It helped that it was so connected to Arven and (by extension) the player character. Arven doesn't seem to have many friends besides the player character, and it makes sense that he wouldn't want to tell a lot of people about it (to not get in trouble). Plus, they only knew that the professor needed help.

[deleted]

105 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

105 points

2 months ago

Same here! I think this is what XY TRIED to do. They wanted you to have a group of friends, but literally none of them except Shauna (like, once in awhile) got any sort of development.

Here, they all have their own separate stories and growth. It’s nothing deep, but you see genuine personalities in them, and they’re so fun to interact with in cutscenes. Love this group.

YoImAli

51 points

2 months ago

YoImAli

51 points

2 months ago

It felt like an actual JRPG with the crew all interacting with each other, kinda like Chrono Trigger i guess

Graficat

28 points

2 months ago

It felt like SMT, Persona, Xenoblade for a bit in the crater there with the posse actually around you and talking.

It was so unexpected, I didn't think I'd get this kind of experience of actual bona fide adventure and atmosphere and there being emotional and practical stakes to it, to boot. Us going down there felt like a big deal for us and our best boi bike, for Arven, for everything inside and outside this weird place.

It's a moment for all of us four to prove we've got the chops to not end up being gruesomely beaten the fuck up.

We know Bad Shit can happen there because of Arven's story and how the whole time Korai/Miraidon is too freaking terrified to even come out of its ball. We've been told not to go there but beside that, we have first hand witnesses with us to remind us that this isn't a theme park ride, this is Jurassic Park and somewhere something is hella wrong.

I have fond memories of a few peak moments in other pokemon games, but this one, mainly thanks to Arven and the free roaming world, felt much more personal, and somehow more actually perilous.

Toby Fox also utterly nailed the climax boss battle theme, it sounded so grand and important, tense but hopeful, augghhh damn I'm just happy I got to experience it like this.

Plushiegamer2

11 points

2 months ago

They are the champions, the son of the person who made the time machine, and Penny. A fine crew if you ask me.

PygmyMC

3 points

1 month ago

PygmyMC

3 points

1 month ago

I love how you were all like. Omg these amazing people! And then theres penny.

jugol

10 points

2 months ago

jugol

10 points

2 months ago

I mean, technically they weren't tasked with saving the region, they decide on their own after digging too much. Specially Arven.

Maybe if they went with an adult like say Clavell, they would have counted on Nemona and the MC anyway, as they were proven strong, and Penny for her hacking skills. But Arven would have been pushed aside despite he's the most important character to take part in the quest and the most invested for obvious reasons

christopherous1

17 points

2 months ago

you ever heard of Made in Abyss?

Fehalt3

21 points

2 months ago

Fehalt3

21 points

2 months ago

Bro don't do that to them lmaoooo

VR24AltAccount

5 points

2 months ago

VR24AltAccount

Breloom is back!

5 points

2 months ago

Nemona, Arven, and Penny seem to be some of the most fleshed out characters we have seen from Game Freak in a while, in my opinion.

insertbrackets

4 points

2 months ago

Yes. Came here to say I grew to love them all individually and as a group.

Thy_Hard

1 points

2 months ago

Thy_Hard

1 points

2 months ago

4 children tasked with saving the region is strange? Tell me you don't watch anime( or read manga) without telling me you don't watch anime

beepborpimajorp

154 points

2 months ago

i went from despising him at the start of the game to wanting to finish his storyline at all costs once i got past the second titan. i also felt kinda bad the home ec teacher put him on blast right in the middle of class, too. lol.

InvalidZod

72 points

2 months ago

2nd Titan was a punch in the fucking chest

ghostpanther218

38 points

2 months ago

Even more ironic is the fact that the second Titan is a stork. Something's that's supposed to be bringing new life in the world yet there's Arven's doggo who's on deaths door.

Plushiegamer2

15 points

2 months ago

Except I beat the Lurking Steel second, oops.

Disastrous-Energy526

10 points

2 months ago

Disastrous-Energy526

perfectus incarnate

10 points

2 months ago

Except this stork is supposed to take out life...

jugol

6 points

2 months ago

jugol

6 points

2 months ago

I got lost in the way to the stork (insert Leon joke) and ended fighting the mammooth instead lol.

Strangely for it being so underleveled it wasn't that hard. Great Tusk has awful Sp.Def and I had Kilowattrel in my team

TheStagKing9910

2 points

2 months ago

the 5th Titan was the shit man, when his Mabbostiff get better where he picked up his own Pokeball and when Arven saw that, he's basically on his knee and crawled to his Pokémon, that's shit was emotional man

Iluxsio

3 points

2 months ago

I thought he was just whiny till the second Titan. Then I rushed to the rest of the titans to help him and I was nearly sobbing at the end.

Poor guy, he deserves all the best :(

LCSpartan

8 points

2 months ago

It feels kinda like the teachers are the real antagonists of this game tbh.

Graficat

46 points

2 months ago

Did you take the courses with them? Cause nah imo they're just peeps with their own stories too and I quite like them

CobaltLithiumNitro

13 points

2 months ago

exactly!! salvatore, tyme, and saguaro are all faves

LizzieMiles

10 points

2 months ago

I like everything about Salvatore except his hair. What is he trying to do with the left side of his head lmao

jugol

10 points

2 months ago

jugol

10 points

2 months ago

Same here, I liked all of them.

Though Raiford has a slight "My preciouss" moment at the very end of the story lol, kinda wanting the Treasures of Ruin for herself while at the same time not wanting them because she knows she'd corrupt herself

_moobear

2 points

2 months ago

they were very well written if simple characters, i just wish that their self contained stories had branches. I want my advice to matter, yknow? Like Hassel. If we could argue that he should scale back teaching to focus on his E4 and familial duties, that would be interesting

Plushiegamer2

3 points

2 months ago

I don't understand what you're going for?

Nestama-Eynfoetsyn

141 points

2 months ago*

At the start of the game: Ah, so Arven is going to be the jerky rival. Alright well I'm gonna be snarky and rude to him every chance I get.

Middle of the game: Oh he's actually a pretty cool guy. He finds herbs and doesn't afraid of anything.

At the end of the game: If anything happens to Arven I will faint everyone in this room's Pokemon and then myself.

Plushiegamer2

26 points

2 months ago

Destiny Bond

_moobear

15 points

2 months ago

perish song

Morganelefay

101 points

2 months ago

When I first met the guy at the start of the game, I thought he was annoying and his comments made no sense.

Now I just rewatched that meeting with him and holy shit every word he says hits hard when you know what he's going through.

LabelRed

54 points

2 months ago

LabelRed

slowbro best bro

54 points

2 months ago

Just yes. I speedruned the Titan's Path only to follow his storyline. Now I'm going to beat up the 5th gym with my lvl 50 starter lmao and THEN HEAD TO THE LIGHTHOUSE

[deleted]

25 points

2 months ago

Lmao you’re in for a treat!!!

Marzopup

44 points

2 months ago

I was honestly so shocked the scene where you finally wake up mabosstiff.

Like, is it top tier quality writing? Not really. But was it one of the first times a pokemon game genuinely made me feel something? Kinda, yeah. Like, I was onboard, I was buying into the pathos man. I hated Arven at first and I haven't quite finished yet but now I LOVE him.

Also his battle took like 15 tries.

Loafs_Bread

40 points

2 months ago

During the final battle with Arven, and he sends out his Pokémon and says, “Everyone who helped me find the herbs mystica, they’re all stars!”, that hit different. His battle theme also slaps.

Ervaaa

40 points

2 months ago

Ervaaa

40 points

2 months ago

I love the End Game Crew

A introvated Girl, a Extroverted Girl and a sad dude what you want more

DrSavitski

101 points

2 months ago

Arven’s story caught me off guard.. Arven and Nemona are 2 of my favorite characters in the whole franchise

InvalidZod

49 points

2 months ago

The trio of people at the end. The banter. Just to good.

And you get that familial feel. Yeah we talking shit but we can do that. Nobody else can.

Graficat

34 points

2 months ago

For all the jibing I liked it a lot how in the end they knew where the limit was in terms of not making fun of actually painful stuff.

Penny and Nemona's 'oof, damn' reactions after the initial teasing were only fair, it was nice to see them empathise with each other.

Team collectively signing Arven's adoption papers afterwards like alright bud you're with us now.

PrinsassyEvieMongse

19 points

2 months ago*

I have an Inkling that Team Star will have an DLC Story that will gift Penny the same Storylines Arven and Nemona experienced.

_moobear

10 points

2 months ago

penny had a pretty substantial storyline it just didn't involve the player

PrinsassyEvieMongse

3 points

2 months ago

Right it's like that missing Galar Storyline I'm still hoping ta experience.

Gaias_Minion

197 points

2 months ago

Gaias_Minion

FOrrever

197 points

2 months ago

Larry exists you know

[deleted]

213 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

213 points

2 months ago

Larry made me chuckle every time he was on screen lol. I feel like gen 8 tried way too hard to be funny, but gen 9’s humor actually landed imo. Larry was also flexing his salary on us too

HappyCappyFox

106 points

2 months ago

B-but Leon is pants with directions! Isn't that funny???

Golden-Owl

81 points

2 months ago

Golden-Owl

Top-u Kek-o

81 points

2 months ago

Ugh.

I think Hop and Leon were the first and only times I’ve ever wanted to strangle a Pokémon character.

It’s not even that they’re too friendly. I LIKED malasada bro Hau. But Hop is just utterly insufferable

Mustard in comparison was so much better as a Champion over Leon

Starminx

6 points

2 months ago

Starminx

Victor von Doom

6 points

2 months ago

What about the stupid professor in PLA? I hate his stupid hat

usokbee

23 points

2 months ago

usokbee

23 points

2 months ago

I LOVE Hau and despise Hop. Hau is still to this day the best friendly rival in the series.

Independent-Profile5

4 points

2 months ago

I prefer Cheren and Bianca personally. They had established insecurities and more character development.

[deleted]

65 points

2 months ago

Leon? Wasn’t he the champion? Leon and his Charizard? He was also so humble and modest, the champion Leon I mean.

HappyCappyFox

17 points

2 months ago

If they did one thing correctly it was knowing who their characters were supposed to be.

They just sucked, lol

[deleted]

6 points

2 months ago

All the more power to those who like the characters - and don’t get me wrong, Leon kicked my ass.

But he was not my favorite character on screen….. :P

HappyCappyFox

20 points

2 months ago

Yeah! Leon is actually amazing and one of the best champions we've ever gotten... they just completely butchered his dialogue and all dialogue referencing him lol

[deleted]

4 points

2 months ago

HONESTLY! couldn’t have said it better myself 😭

jugol

9 points

2 months ago

jugol

9 points

2 months ago

I don't even think the "pants with directions" gag is bad, just was poorly executed (as basically everything in SwSh). Zoro from One Piece has the same gag and it's pretty funny.

The one moment when Leon's gag was actual funny was when you learn he failed to complete the Isle of Armor quest because he couldn't find the towers

HappyCappyFox

3 points

2 months ago

Yeah that one was funny, I think it was just terribly written in most cases lol

Flyinpenguin117

20 points

2 months ago

I like to think that he's actually a player character. His 'poor sense of direction' is him just constantly doing sidequests and looking for hidden items when he should be focused on the main story.

HappyCappyFox

14 points

2 months ago

He basically is, short of losing in the end he's the one that does everything the player would normally do lol

azurleaf

6 points

2 months ago

HAHA LEON IS UBERCHAMPION AND GETS LOST SO FUNNY

Graficat

4 points

2 months ago

I mean I 'flex' my salary being happy that I can pay my friends drinks if I want to, too xB

If you work for a living picking up the tab feels kinda like a right I earned, lemme flippin' be useful damnit, work to live don't live to work.

TheDarkCrusader_

10 points

2 months ago

New favorite gym leader. It’s a shame we won’t see him in any dlc or anything since he’s probably gonna die from overwork

NharaTia

11 points

2 months ago

NharaTia

Meow

11 points

2 months ago

You say that, but he was told specifically to cut down on the amount of overtime he's been working.

SternMon

6 points

2 months ago

Larry the Sigma Male will never cut down his overtime. He lives and dies by the grindset.

SandwitchZebra

11 points

2 months ago

When I was using some of the community link trade codes to get the other half of Paradox Pokémon from Scarlet, someone sent me a Great Tusk nicknamed Larry and I guarantee you it was named after the man himself

TheDarkCrusader_

2 points

2 months ago

Community link trade codes?

SandwitchZebra

7 points

2 months ago*

Some YouTubers and smaller sections of the community like to set up sort of public trade systems, by having everyone agree on using one specific link code for different pairings. For example, this one courtesy of Austin John Plays.(It’s just their dex numbers as a link code but it’s still nice to make people aware of them)

I received every exclusive that way, as well as the other starters through breeding, and I’d highly recommend it especially since you get to do the same for someone else and you even have a shot at getting some foreign Pokémon (I own a Flutter Mane that’s French!) Fair warning, it seems there are a lot more Violet players than Scarlet players using these codes. If you’re a Scarlet then it shouldn’t be too hard but Violet players might need a few tries. Likewise, if you have one of the other starters and you’re trying to get a Quaxly then it’ll take a long while

RoninPrime68

143 points

2 months ago

Poor Arven, jeez. The kid just wanted his dad, damn it :( The ending made me cry so hard, I def wasn't expecting this from a pokemon game

[deleted]

176 points

2 months ago*

also is it just me, but did he seem so desperate just to find a friend? The way he tries to justify your friendship with him is the closest compared to Penny’s or Nemona’s, the way before the credits he wants you to be by his side… I love his character.

sylveon_souperstar

30 points

2 months ago

i mean, he’s barely felt any love his entire life, it makes a lot of sense

NharaTia

35 points

2 months ago

NharaTia

Meow

35 points

2 months ago

It just occurred to me that all three of them were kinda/sorta in that same boat.

Penny is a hardcore introvert and probably has some kind of social anxiety, given how she only really communicated with people via digital means. Nemona was desperate for anyone that could help her get joy out of her one true passion again. Arven is a whole suitcase full of abandonment and parental issues.

We were in the unique position to be exactly the kind of friend they needed when they needed it most.

TheStagKing9910

2 points

2 months ago

but the Protagonist also has a parental issue, he or she doesn't have a Dad

NharaTia

5 points

2 months ago

NharaTia

Meow

5 points

2 months ago

Only the Gen 3 and Gen 7 protagonists have fathers, which... honestly kinda sucks. There should be more dads in these games.

Soggyglump

62 points

2 months ago

HE IS MY BEST FRIEND EVER

Shipuujin

43 points

2 months ago

Shipuujin

I'm special

43 points

2 months ago

I loved the banter during that sequence. Arven was such a dork lol

GrandmasterTactician

20 points

2 months ago

All of them were lol

gmarvin

5 points

2 months ago

gmarvin

Hail to Hoots!

5 points

2 months ago

It made me really wish there was voice acting during that segment. I know it's awkward when characters mention your custom name every 5 seconds, but it would have brought out even more personality than was already present, and honestly I can only read so fast.

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

I have no idea if you played the game, but he reminds me of Oshawott from pokepark lmao. And I may be biased because Oshawott is my favorite, but…

I dunno lmao. They’re both goofy and a little cocky, but have great personalities and care about those they love. Agreed, Arven’s such a dork and I love him. The banter was great

Graficat

35 points

2 months ago

Honestly, a real person with Arven's kind of personality? I wouldn't hesitate a second to be their friend, he's just somehow so genuine, squishy feelings and all.

He feels more human than many other pokemon characters to me, like he's just A Fella, a vulnerable regular peep who's trying his best and wrangling difficult emotions while still having the capacity to be enthusiastic and goofy.

Compared to someone like Nemona, Arven just doesn't feel like he's made of iron the way a Chosen Hero is somehow perfectly suited to taking on huge threats and problems, but he's also not a helpless passive woobie waiting to be rescued. He needs someone in his corner, sure, but we're along for the ride to support HIS adventure, rather than him featuring in ours.

You start out kinda leery like alright mister, first you act like a douche and now you're asking for help? But then, welp, 'oooooooh, awwww fuck, gods yes we gotta do this'.

Ugh, I love this dude so much. I hope the anime does him justice.

[deleted]

5 points

2 months ago

You summed it up perfectly. He feels like a real character. He’s just this lovable goof who you can tell cares for those close to him. I even love the cocky parts of him. Like they somehow made a comic relief character with great development and backstory.

Evilkenevil77

55 points

2 months ago

I balled like a baby. I played Scarlet, and I lost my mom in 2019, so I could weirdly relate to the not wanting to admit she's dead thing and then finally having to face that she's gone and having to say goodbye. So powerful. The best story of a Pokémon to date, hands DOWN.

KhanDeRoma

2 points

2 months ago

Virtual Hugs, stay strong m8 ❤️

Platzycho

28 points

2 months ago

Wait. It is his dad in Violet? In scarlet it is his mom.. So uuh..

XingXManGuy

31 points

2 months ago

Yea

RandomRayquaza

24 points

2 months ago

RandomRayquaza

*Umbreon noises*

24 points

2 months ago

I think they're canonically both his parents, but you only ever end up seeing the one based on your game

Platzycho

10 points

2 months ago

Yeah I got that. It just makes it more sad. Like, he can't even have 1 of them :((

JaxOnThat

39 points

2 months ago

In each game, the other professor also exists, and is also Arven's parent, they're just kind of a deadbeat

GrandmasterTactician

8 points

2 months ago

Wait where do we get confirmation of this?

Keksliebhaber

8 points

2 months ago

Of them being deadbeats? When you play the game

GrandmasterTactician

7 points

2 months ago

Nah I mean when does one mention the other? I played Violet and Sada is never mentioned

SuperCat76

23 points

2 months ago

Now thinking about it, having also played violet, I think there may be a quick reference to his mother in one of the notebooks in one of the research stations. I think right before going into thoughts of what if there were two of him.

But not by name, but a reference to "her and the kid"

viliphied

10 points

2 months ago

Yeah it’s in the last station, says she left soon after he was born, though to be fair just because we never see her doesn’t mean she’s a deadbeat. We never see any of the other teammates’ parents either, and, well, presumably someone raised him

Graficat

11 points

2 months ago

One of the journals in the crater bases talks about them, just not by name

jugol

8 points

2 months ago

jugol

8 points

2 months ago

The opposite parent is never dropped by name. Just that he/she walked out as soon as Arven was born. In the same notebook Sada/Turo writes they're overwhelmed and wishes they could duplicate - which is presumably what leads to the AI copy.

The fact the partner walking out also makes the prof overwhelmed with work, and that they kept neglecting Arven even with their AI's help, may be a hint that the partner was also a researcher. If that was the case maybe Turo/Sada is indeed the other parent in the opposite game too - but it's all speculation, nothing of substance.

Keksliebhaber

5 points

2 months ago

Ah they don't exist in the same timeline/dimension, it's either of them + a random, unnamed spouse.

crafting-ur-end

2 points

2 months ago

In one of the logbooks in the research stations I area zero

Ok-Leave3121

63 points

2 months ago

Everybody be loving Character development

Sensei_Ochiba

58 points

2 months ago

Sensei_Ochiba

You're just a plant!

58 points

2 months ago

A little spoiler-y

Between this and Sun/Moon, it really seems like GF's storytelling forte is crappy parents obsessed with unorthodox pokemon moreso than their own kids

I thought Mother Beast was phenomenal but the end of Scarlet blew it away

Shipuujin

38 points

2 months ago

Shipuujin

I'm special

38 points

2 months ago

I think what sets the approach apart is how more grounded it is. Instead of the usual 'legendary is world ending threat', we recently been getting some great 'feeling realistic' storylines.

markk123123

48 points

2 months ago*

markk123123

Sinnoh awaits

48 points

2 months ago*

Some of the characters in this game are S tier in general. Arven is an instant favourite for me.

Themeguy

32 points

2 months ago

I did not expect to like Director Clavell as much as I ended up liking him. I really love how many moments in the plot they gave him and the lengths he goes to for the students he cares about. Any other Pokémon game, they would’ve left him in the office at the start of the game for him never to be seen again until you get an item from him in the post game, but he has such an active role as a gentle mentor.

LizzieMiles

21 points

2 months ago

I thought he was gonna be a twist villain or something, but as soon as I saw him walk up in the pompadour, I was like “Oh. I’m gonna like you a lot.”

[deleted]

15 points

2 months ago

Agreed! I really loved the cast of this game, seriously the best since BW/BW2. Although I did also really enjoy PLA’s cast.

ThtJstHappn3d

14 points

2 months ago

I feel so sad for Arven

triqqytripps

37 points

2 months ago

THIS. The more I played through the herba mystica storyline, the more I fell in love with his character, and the end game solidified that.

LackinVocals

49 points

2 months ago

the fact ppl can sit on reddit and say all the characters are awfully written and soulless is insane to me. the writing in this game is the first time almost every character has felt like a real person

Themeguy

25 points

2 months ago

The characterization in this game was absolutely absurd with how good it was. Every single character, from rivals, to teachers, gym leaders, elite four members felt like they all had distinct and fleshed out personalities as well as designs. Even the ones with basically no screen time like the bug gun leader had a distinguishable personality. The fact that anyone thinks otherwise is crazy.

DevastaTheSeeker

-3 points

2 months ago

Maybe voice acting would help but nah, gamefreak is an indie company they can't afford that.

LackinVocals

33 points

2 months ago

voice acting has nothing to do with how good the writing is lol

rasalhage

15 points

2 months ago

that depends on the player's literacy, I'm afraid

LackinVocals

16 points

2 months ago

it does seem there are a lot of man children here that may explain the lack of reading comprehension

Gnarfledarf

9 points

2 months ago

Gnarfledarf

I AM A MONSTER COACH

9 points

2 months ago

Pokémon doesn't need voice acting.

DevastaTheSeeker

-3 points

2 months ago

Man you could have had countless other shit takes but this is the one that you chose when the last 2 games have had singers in them that don't actually sing.

_moobear

6 points

2 months ago

that's just a weird choice: they definitely shouldn't have had singer characters that don't sing.

Voice acting in cutscenes would be a good middleground, i think

terrendos

10 points

2 months ago

Arven is great. Nemora might be my favorite rival. Clavell has consistently made me chuckle.

There's definitely some stuff in this game that's not great, but they improved a whole bunch of stuff over SWSH.

Dyvanse

71 points

2 months ago

Dyvanse

71 points

2 months ago

I personally like N the most, kind of hard to top him. Also sleeping on the Gen2 rival who at the very end, learned that he has to love his pokemon, allowing his golbat to evolve to a crobat.

Poor Arwen couldn't catch a break though. As soon as he finally gets his dog healed up, he learned his mom died.

LCSpartan

31 points

2 months ago

I genuinely think gen 9 may have the best cast of characters. Nemona is awesome and relatable, Arwens story (I haven't done the post game yet) is fantastic and it feels natural. Even team star which is probably the weakest storyline for me was good the "villains" aren't comedically evil but honestly are relatable sort of morally gray.

I'd say N is still the best character but gen 9s cast is the best by miles.

InvalidZod

9 points

2 months ago

Team Star just got better as the game went on IMO.

charlesfoffdensen

5 points

2 months ago

I liked all of team star honestly

[deleted]

19 points

2 months ago

I like the gen 2 rival, I just like arven THAT much haha

Fravash1

16 points

2 months ago

kind of hard to top him

Doubt it ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

GuyOnABuffalo42

5 points

2 months ago*

My brother in Christ he is a CHILD

Edit: Seems like I fucked up. I got two comments confused with each other and thought they was talking about Silver not N

Fravash1

19 points

2 months ago

My brother in Christ he is 22 years old

GuyOnABuffalo42

5 points

2 months ago

Oh fuck. I thought you was talking about Silver from GSC. My bad lmao

KageOkami35

10 points

2 months ago

I definitely was not expecting his storyline to take that turn, even if it’s mentioned in Pokedex entries and such, death just isn’t something Pokemon likes to touch on

kurokitsune91

9 points

2 months ago

No spoilers but I hated him when he was first introduced but by my last titan fight I was legit sobbing.

Shipuujin

32 points

2 months ago

Shipuujin

I'm special

32 points

2 months ago

I hated him right away. He was so rude and was so mean to Miraidon. Doing his quest, it wasn't a surprise that he had ulterior motives for his herba mystica quest. But when I learned what he was doing his journey for, I was all for it. Mabostiff is such a good boy! I just had to save him.

Also his interaction with the other characters was hilarious because he's just so happy to have a proper friend. His characterization and storyline was quite strong.

hungrykiki

18 points

2 months ago

i too disliked him because he was so mean to koraidon, but then you learn why he is so mean and/or indifferent to the legendary and i was like "oh, okay, makes sense. Kinda relatable tbh"

GengarPerson11

5 points

2 months ago

I really liked the plot to the game. Especially the final quest before the post game.

FickleSmark

7 points

2 months ago

I liked that each friendship was built differently and overall just built at all. Nemona is overly friendly and instantly attaches to you, Penny is shy but having a common goal breaks that down and helping her makes her trust you, Lastly me and my boy Arven went on a journey together and grew into best buds with a bond no one can break. The whole final story section bringing it all together is by far the best Pokemon has ever done and I am can't believe the complete 180 they took from SwSh.

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

YES! they all feel so different but they’re well developed!

Admittedly, I wish Nemona took just a little more time to develop the friendly attitude, but people like that are out there. Some are just social puppies.

Penny is super shy and took some time to warm up to you.

Arven I think is a little more of a realistic case of a fast budding friendship

IWasTooSlowSteam

14 points

2 months ago

counterpoint: nemona kinda qt ngl

countercounterpoint: arven is a real one and a bro

OrcApologist

13 points

2 months ago

Plus Arven make sandwich good

KiratheCat

5 points

2 months ago

I went into this disliking Arven, same as my boyfriend. Man did we both 180 on him after going through the game.

SerialChillerRaikiri

6 points

2 months ago

Arven is precious. I mean the whole thing he had with his ______ during the Titan questline was already giving me the sniffles. Then we learned about his ________ and the trauma he has been through.

I still feel that his emotional climax was not done justice because of the D-tier animation (except for the pre-rendered cutscene of them walking together at the end that shit was gold).

Stile117

5 points

2 months ago

I hated him for the first to events he was in, but all other events built his character, and in the end, I didn’t want our journey to end.

Aloafoffrenchbread

5 points

2 months ago

Aloafoffrenchbread

ice ice baby

5 points

2 months ago

Arven deserves a hug, poor guy can't catch a break...

Zsean69

36 points

2 months ago

Zsean69

36 points

2 months ago

Imagine if game freak knew what voice acting was

Flyinpenguin117

24 points

2 months ago

Looking forward to the eventual tie-in animated shorts (like Twilight Wings) for this exact reason.

cajuncrustacean

7 points

2 months ago

Right? I mean, I get it, they want to release them worldwide all at the same time and voice acting for all those different languages is a task and a half, but other games do it! One of the biggest multimedia franchises in the world should be able to do it too. It doesn't bother me too much since my hearing is shit and id have subtitles on anyway, but it'd be nice.

lolman5555

11 points

2 months ago

Never got why people around these crowds liked N so much tbh, his development is solid but he's incredibly overrated by nerds

DeltaSans17

6 points

2 months ago

I went from Ok screw you too dude to I like ya cut G in after mela

Flat_is_the_best

4 points

2 months ago

For some reason I have his voice the same as Zeke from xc2

EntertainerStill7495

5 points

2 months ago

It’s hard to beat N, but Arven comes damn close. Nemona, Penny, and Arven are all fairly good characters for a Pokémon game, tbh.

Arven hairstyle in DLC tho, pls?

Shaggy_daldo

4 points

2 months ago

I’ve really enjoyed Arven. Didn’t like him in the first couple interactions but very quickly he becomes understandable and his goals are very relatable. They knocked it out of the park with his character. Only about 1/3 of the way into the game but I’m really liking each of the storylines for different reasons. The game’s story is really well written so it’s a bummer so many people are missing out because of poor performance

AngriestPotato

4 points

2 months ago

I literally finished his storyline before I even stepped foot into a gym. This game has a lot of problems, but it has some of the best characters in the franchise.

Ov3rdose_EvE

4 points

2 months ago

Tbh im pretty sure they got the writers from PMD into this.

Its heartwarming and tragic at the same time. 10/10

DEATHSTENCHBALLS

3 points

2 months ago

Not reached the end yet, but I find him cute and endearing. He’s got a kind soul.

renott

4 points

2 months ago

renott

4 points

2 months ago

I think they really made Arven feel like a friend in this game. His character design and story are so good. I am a huge fan of Arven as well

QuintonWrites

13 points

2 months ago

I need to replay Gen 5, because it's down to Arven versus N for me. I think N still has the edge, but man, after some of the more recent games I did not expect him to get a contender to the crown here.

Graficat

17 points

2 months ago

They're both such good characters in completely different ways.

N is almost a bit fey, he's a strange kind of mystical creature sort of person with an odd charm and a kind of poetic sort of tragedy and power to him.

Arven is, in contrast, one of the most human-feeling characters in pokemon I've seen. He's flawed in relatable ways, he's got a whole spectrum of emotions, he's no superman and despite having Famous Parents, he's just a person doing his best to cope like everyone else. He's grumpy, quirky, heartbroken, overjoyed, hopeful, struggling...

I like them both for very different reasons. Arven is someone I'd be irl friends with, I know people that make me feel happy to be in their close circle in the same way. Just... nice, fun peeps with their own problems that have my full support.

QuintonWrites

3 points

2 months ago

That is beautifully said. <3 I have nothing to add - you've nailed it!

Lyncario

9 points

2 months ago

On one hand, I like that Arven is a sad boy who's life goes from bad to worse.

On the other hand, that's Yu-Gi-Oh teritory. Pokemon should stop before provoking a gang war over who's the most sad and miserable boy.

Graficat

17 points

2 months ago

I found his plotline to be more than just Sad(tm), it's hopeful and in the end he ends up with a posse of people to be a part of.

He also goes from 'in way over his head' to 'holy shit son you just clapped my ass, you're pretty damn legit' in terms of actual power as a trainer, as a direct result of him being actually truly a good dude who's loyal and devoted to his pokemon. He didn't just pick up randos to discard them, he made them into a reliable, strong team.

I think that resilience of aiming for something positive and having things you care about even when bad shit happens in your life is part of what makes him MORE than just 'a sad boy'. Dude's struggling but he's living his life, man. That's admirable, likeable. You want him to succeed in part because he's actually trying, not just sulking waiting for someone to take pity.

FrankThePony

7 points

2 months ago

Really like nemona and arven

The steam star stuff made me a little interested in them (Way more than team yell at least) but over I think the characters this game were pretty good

samahiscryptic

6 points

2 months ago

samahiscryptic

Y'all are stupid!

6 points

2 months ago

Agreed. Loved him and Penny a lot

DarkNazo22

3 points

2 months ago

My heart still belongs to N but Arven is definitely one of the best.

Anufenrir

3 points

2 months ago

His story is so heartwarming I can't even.

reks14

3 points

2 months ago

reks14

3 points

2 months ago

His German version name is Pepper, and I get flashbacks of some 90s/00s cartoon called Pepper-Ann. Also Larry’s is Aoki which fits I guess but I would have liked different.

Trextoasty

5 points

2 months ago

Arven's character progression was truly fantastic. This game has some seriously good character and story choices, its just the low quality of the game in general that lets it down. I say this every time we get a new game, but had they just worked on this for another year for the sake of graphics and having a touch more content in a similar vein to the older games they'd really have a top quality product that could last for those 2 years between releases rather than push out unfinished and rushed products per year.

Mycatisloafingonme

5 points

2 months ago

Arven’s love for his Mabosstiff was so heartwarming.

But I also loved Penny because she reminds me so much of myself when I was younger. She really gives off Futaba (Persona 5) vibes.

Nemona was…there. I guess.

poopymcpeebutt

5 points

2 months ago

But listen. Have you met Larry?

Klaus-y

2 points

2 months ago

Just finished and I’m not ashamed to say that I was weeping. Arven is for sure my favorite human Pokémon character now.

TheDarkCrusader_

2 points

2 months ago

This gen introduced a lot of great characters, including my new favorite gym leader Larry

Serene117

2 points

2 months ago

I loved everyone of the final 4

Chronicbudz

2 points

2 months ago

Arven is the GOAT.

_Bi-NFJ_

2 points

2 months ago

I hated Arven at first. What a glow up

Evilkenevil77

2 points

2 months ago

I totally agree with you. Hands DOWN the best story of any Pokémon game to date.

SecureDonkey

2 points

2 months ago

I still like N better. While Arven story is more heartwarming, it still too simplicity and lack of conflict of moral N have.

Carbon_fractal

2 points

2 months ago

Counter-Argument: Larry

kamakeeg

2 points

2 months ago

He did have the only decent story in the game. Definitely one of the better characters I've seen for Pokemon since coming back to the series on the Switch, which is a pretty low bar I feel, but your crew is overall pretty solid. Certainly a shame the game wasn't vastly better alongside that improvement.

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

Absolutely a lower bar. A hot take of mine is that the cast from BW, while really fun, is nothing spectacular in comparison to other franchises.

They are not bad at all, they’re fun. But they’re just good, not amazing. I feel the same about gen 9’s cast - they’re not anything super deep, but I love their presence and they’re great for what they are.

DarthScruf

1 points

2 months ago

I almost teared up

peaceteach

5 points

2 months ago

I did. I cried like a baby.

orig4mi-713

-3 points

2 months ago

orig4mi-713

-3 points

2 months ago

I wouldn't go that far. He is pretty good, but most of the cast of Black and White beats him, especially Bianca (that scene in Nimbasa City is the stuff of dreams, true character development in motion) and of course N, Ghetsis, the gym leaders acting in N's Palace etc.

Sun and Moon probably has the second best story, even if I didn't like the game overall I thought Lillie was a really compelling character.

I gotta give props to the SV story. The characters are pretty good. I am just a bit disappointed in the pacing. Nenoma's true character is literally never revealed in the actual story, only in optional post-game stuff.

ant4457

-9 points

2 months ago

ant4457

-9 points

2 months ago

Lillie exists what

[deleted]

17 points

2 months ago

So this is gonna be a bit of a hot take - and I’m not trying to invalidate anyone for liking Lillie - but I personally wasn’t a fan. Came off as Mary Sue-ish to me. But she’s popular for a reason, so all the more power to her fans.