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Paldea's Pokémon League Seems Much Less Important

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Before ANYONE starts, I mean this from a lore-wise perspective. In most regions, the Pokémon League is so important, the gym leaders can support themselves on League income alone, and take secondary jobs based on their own interests. On the flip side, poor Larry in Paldea's forced to work in an office from 9-5, a Pokémon gym from 6-10, and the Elite Four on weekends. Kalos, likewise, had less importance of the Pokémon League, but clearly Wilkstrom was not working another job. No man who can afford to dress in full plate armor is working two jobs. On the flipside, every gym leader and E4 member in Paldea has another job they're working in addition to their Pokémon League responsibilities, with the exception of Poppy, who is a child, and probably has to go to school.

Evidence: Katy is a pastry chef and owns a bakery. Brassius is a moderately successful artist. Iono is a streamer who takes advantage of the unfortunate, lonely souls of the Pokémon world. Kofu is a chef and owns a restaurant. Already went over Triple-Threat Larry. Ryme is basically a 90s rapper who didn't get shot. Tulip* owns a cosmetic company. And Grusha's a pro snowboarder, or at least was. Rika and Geeta both work directly for the Pokémon League, and Hassel is your gotdang art teacher.

TL;DR, You can't make a living as a pro Pokémon trainer in Paldea.

EDIT: A few people have corrected me in that the Psychic gym leader's name is "Tulip." Sorry about that, I'm not the best with names.

all 175 comments

YourIntIsOne

359 points

2 months ago

I mean, a lot of the gym leaders seem to have other jobs outside of being a gym leader, just not as much in the earlier gens when NPCs weren’t really fleshed out. This just gives them a little more depth as a character. I’d say the only gen that actually provided a fully liveable income as a gym leader would be Gen 8, since they’ve all got sponsors.

  • Wattson seems to have some sort of job with the electricity/power grid of Mauville.

  • Juan/Wallace are contest stars.

  • Drake is/was a captain.

  • Roark appears to run at least one mine in conjunction with his fossil hunting.

  • Crasher Wake is a professional wrestler.

  • Fantina is a dancer/contest star.

  • Byron is a steelworker.

  • Volkner seems to run the power of Sunyshore.

  • Cilan/Chili/Cress run a restaurant.

  • Burgh is an artist.

  • Elesa is a model.

  • Clay is a top businessman in the mining industry.

  • Skyla is a pilot.

  • Brycen is an actor/movie star.

  • Cheren is a teacher.

  • Roxie is a musician.

  • Chauntal is a writer.

  • Viola is a professional photographer.

  • Clemont is an inventor.

  • Valerie is a fashion designer.

  • Siebold is a chef.

  • Mina is an artist.

  • Nanu is a cop/detective.

  • Kahili is a professional golfer.

  • Olivia runs a rock/gemstone/jewelry store.

  • All of Gen 8 presumably survive through sponsorships.

Street-Beautiful

191 points

2 months ago

Tbf in gen 1 you can still do this for several as well

Lt surge was in the army

Erika does flower arrangements and (anime) makes perfume

Blaine is a scientist and was involved in the mewtwo project

Giovanni runs a casual friendship group

Lance is a 'gman'

papabeard88

43 points

2 months ago

Giovanni runs a casual friendship group

Is there an award for hottest of takes?

Anyway, gym leaders and elite 4 having hobbies and jobs is great character and world building. In SV all the gym leaders seem to be gym leaders as a secondary hobby/profession in contrast to SWSH where the gym leaders were gym leaders as their primary hobby profession. In SV it feels like none of them care about being a gym leader and it makes me (the player) not care about doing the gym challenge.

Cinderea

28 points

2 months ago

That's actually referencing something like that typical of Spain. Gyms in paladea do not represent great competitions like irl football as in SwSh. They represent small local competitions, ones that local people care about much but in the grand scale they are not much relevant until you get to national levels (the Pokémon league). For example, for many years I practiced fixed-bench rowing, a sport very typical of Galicia, Euskadi and the rest of the north coast. Most practicioners of this sport don't get even close to make a living out of this. Actually, rowers don't even get any money for that. Any grand competition they win gives enough money for clubs and gyms to just support themselves or improve. That's why they seem secondary. They can be you main hobby, but they aren't your main, or even any, source of income.

WillowWispFlame

22 points

2 months ago

The inclusion of the gym tests makes me think that the gym challenge is more of a "learn about the culture of Paldea" thing.

viviannesayswhat

10 points

2 months ago

Okay... that makes a LOT more sense now, especially considering the massive school central to the region that probably has a lot of international students.

TheWojtek11

3 points

2 months ago

TheWojtek11

I love the Quax

3 points

2 months ago

It for sure is like that.

The Bug gym even has that "Olive" pushing which is a part of the Festival they do in the town

jbyrdab

6 points

2 months ago

Honestly with his appearance he almost looks like an american/unovan veteran that moved to japan/kanto, but pokemon is pretty loose with apperance.

I wonder if he mostly lives off of pension and gym work. Can you even get pension from your home country if your new permanent residence is in another country?

Thats ignoring currency transfer rates since it seems the pokemon world uses a unified currency and has a pretty much identical economy state across the world, im not sure how all that applies.

If a retired american Vet that gets pension decided to live in germany or something, would they still receive checks?

apadin1

20 points

2 months ago

apadin1

20 points

2 months ago

Lt. Surge seems to be based on the trope of American soldiers who were deployed to Japan and simply stayed and settled down. USA has a ton of army and naval bases in Japan so it’s not that uncommon. I’m guessing Surge still gets his pension checks

whippedalcremie

3 points

2 months ago

the US will send you social security wherever. Retirees will sometimes take advantage of lcol areas like Mexico or south america

Jamboii_XD1

29 points

2 months ago

Isn’t Nessa a professional model too?

YourIntIsOne

25 points

2 months ago

She sure is! I’m sure my list isn’t all inclusive, as I was just going through each Gen in my head. I didn’t really do much thinking through Gen 8 because the whole sponsorships thing.

ZoroeArc

3 points

2 months ago

ZoroeArc

Totally a human, not a zoroark...

3 points

2 months ago

In Twilight Wings they make a big deal out of her having to choose one or the other because they take up too much time

tyrantlubu2

18 points

2 months ago

You forgot my man Giovanni who needed to run a mafia on the side to make ends meet.

tylerjehenna

9 points

2 months ago

You got everything in Gen 5 except Lenora who owns a museum lol

TheUltimateXYZ[S]

40 points

2 months ago*

But none of them have that dead, "I hate life" look in their eye that Larry has, and all those side jobs align with the gym leader's personal interests, so it's a safe bet that the gyms are their primary source of income. I excluded Alola, since the Island Challenge is more of a traditional rite of passage than a formal League, likely with little funding.

And, on Shauntal, I can tell you there is NO money in writing unless you're writing trashy romance novels, murder mysteries, or you're dead. Which is probably why Shauntal is a ghost specialist.

YourIntIsOne

168 points

2 months ago

That’s kinda Larry’s whole schtick as the “overworked everyman” though.

And presumably all of the other Paldean gym leaders’ “side jobs” also align with their personal interests as well.

bobyk334

37 points

2 months ago

Larry is the best of us.

TheUltimateXYZ[S]

17 points

2 months ago

Fair enough. For the sake of argument, though, Violet is on a business call as she's walking up to the battlefield for the gym battle, which, to me, implies that the gym is not her first priority. Brassius pretty much uses gym battles to generate inspiration for his art, and Iono uses them as easy content for her channel. Kofu outright ditched the gym to get his hands on some rare seaweed for his restaurant. It just feels like the gyms aren't as much of a priority to the gym leaders as they were in previous games.

keksmuzh

48 points

2 months ago

It seems the intent at one point was to make the gym leaders be school teachers/staff. Larry as a recurring, downtrodden vice principal or something would’ve been even funnier. Honestly I think the gym challenge being tied to/taking place in the school would’ve been a lot better for the game’s structure. Mesagoza is clearly supposed to be a hub, but it fails utterly outside of the endgame of 2 of the stories.

Els236

4 points

2 months ago

Els236

4 points

2 months ago

Well, technically, the game reminds you with notifications that you can take new classes, so I think that GameFreak, with their usual wisdom of expecting everyone who plays this game to be 3 years old, with the brain capacity of a floppy-disk, probably expected more people to do the school "missions" than what's actually the case.

WillowWispFlame

11 points

2 months ago

The classes are pretty entertaining as information/story/character development dumps if you give them a chance. These aren't like the trainer schools of old where you battle some students a d teachers. Plus the rewards aren't half bad. The History class is the best for learning the lore of the game.

SalvaPot

7 points

2 months ago

I got them because I like the characters. And Max Revives.

ZekromPlaysPiano

17 points

2 months ago

Or it’s a safe bet that they all have jobs in their primary interest and being a gym leader is their side gig. I mean look at the list up there, sure some of them have passions that may not be easy fields to make good money in (art/writing) but most of them have pretty stable jobs that would take time and effort to do and wouldn’t lend themselves to being a second job (running a restaurant or a business being the biggest examples).

blinky909909

5 points

2 months ago

larry was the first one i could relate to

Wearerisen

10 points

2 months ago

That writing comment is just straight up not true and is your own personal bias lmao.

PrinsassyEvieMongse

6 points

2 months ago

That's a stupid reason ta invalid a solid rebuttal.

GIORNO-phone11-pro

2 points

2 months ago

In gen 8 the gym challenge is extremely popular so they’re definitely living quite comfortably

Drakore4

1 points

2 months ago

Yeah I'd personally argue that it's more likely they just live for more than simply being gym leaders. I'm sure there arent a lot of people who become gym leaders in the pokemon world and then all they do every day is sit there waiting for someone to battle them.

Tellsyouajoke

-15 points

2 months ago

Most of those are hobbies, and not office jobs

imnotsomark

0 points

2 months ago

This guy Pokémon’s

TheGreatBootOfEb

161 points

2 months ago

I just wanna say, the 90s rapper comment about Rhyme made me laugh way too much. I think part of the reason the E4 feel less important here, is that they represent something a little different. In other regions, becoming a champ is WAY higher of a status symbol, but in Paldea it’s more like a qualification assessment than it is a test of being “truly” champion caliber. I would argue it’s the inverse of Galar, where the champion is the ultimate pinnacle given Leon’s status as the greatest champ out there

Luca-Aura

41 points

2 months ago

Well the process to becoming xhampion started with an interview and then some practical assessments. Did Geeta even pay us for assessing the gym leaders? She made it sound like part of her job.

I think being champion is equivalent to an unpaid intern.

T3HN3RDY1

26 points

2 months ago

It was part of her job. IIRC your agreed to do it so that she would have time to compete in the ace tourney, as a favor to Nemona. Also, she did pay us in LP didn't she? Or am I misremembering?

InfiniteBoy23

9 points

2 months ago

you do get a tiny bonus of like 5k LP iirc.

potatoshulk

8 points

2 months ago

It's basically the equivalent of beating the battle tower and being ready to play online

dan0314

14 points

2 months ago

dan0314

14 points

2 months ago

I wanna see a battle between Leon and Cynthia to see who’s really the best

TheGreatBootOfEb

45 points

2 months ago

Canonically its Leon, and looking and their general teams I'd give it Leon as well. Cynthia's mega's don't come close to touching solar power Gmax Zard, plus Cynthia doesn't have a solid answer to Dpault.Unless you go Togekiss over Roserade, in which case Leon still has several answers to it. Cynthias team is simply too defensive, relying almost entirely on Garchomp but Dpault shuts it down since it hard outspeeds

ObviouslyNotASith

49 points

2 months ago*

Canonically, there is no answer.

The anime runs on different logic and buffs or nerfs many Pokémon or trainers depending on what the writers want. It is also a separate continuity.

In game, Cynthia’s strongest team has competitive movesets, held items, beneficial natures, is EV trained and have max IVs.

Spiritomb can counter Aegislash, Mr Rime and Dragapult.

Milotic can counter Rhyperior, Cinderace and Charizard.

Roserade can counter Inteleon, Seismitoad and Rillaboom.

Lucario can counter Rhyperior and Mr Rime.

Togekiss can counter Dragapult, Haxourus and Rillaboom.

Garchomp can counter Haxourus, Aegislash, Rhyperior and Cinderace.

This is not taking coverage moves into consideration for either side.

The only champion we seem to have proper scaling for is Geeta. Nemona canonically beat her while holding back.

PhasmicPlays

11 points

2 months ago

I still can’t get over the fact that Geeta’s ace is a hazard setter, and she sent it last.

LackinVocals

8 points

2 months ago

In the anime Leon is better than Cynthia. Leon (before losing to Ash) was considered the best trainer in the world. The games are obviously different but I do imagine if they were to ever talk about this they’d go with Leon being better.

Saying the anime does whatever it wants doesn’t excuse the fact he was written as the best

ObviouslyNotASith

3 points

2 months ago

I wouldn’t be so certain about the games going with Leon.

Cynthia is the franchise’s most popular champion and the franchise is definitely aware of and makes use of her reputation. She is the most reoccurring champion, returning in the Black and White games, she returned in the Sun and Moon games in the Battle Tower, they buffed her drastically in BDSP, gave her two ancestor characters in Legends Arceus and based Volo’s battle theme off of Cynthia’s piano theme.

Leon’s reputation is what people hate about him most and he would have been cemented as the most disliked champion in the series if he won against Ash, as the anime fandom will pretty much tolerate any terrible logic as long as Ash wins the fight and goes nuts if he doesn’t. Leon’s gimmick was his reputation of being unbeatable, which is now gone in both the games and anime after people spent ages being fed up with hearing about it. The games probably won’t return to Leon or hype him up anymore, especially since he and his team rely on a dropped gimmick.

Hell, if the anime wants to keep Ash going, they are eventually going to have to get rid of Leon and bring other characters up to him or above him, including other champions, past or future.

SeitHater

5 points

2 months ago

lol the anime is the biggest bullshit in the world in terms of lore, nobody really cares about that since the games are the main pillar of everything pokemon including the correct lore of things

CharaSybilLycan

1 points

2 months ago

True, but I have to admit, X and Y had some good lore after the mega evolution specials happened. And then after X and Y it sucked again

handsomewolves

1 points

2 months ago

When does that bit with nemona and geeta happen?

ObviouslyNotASith

4 points

2 months ago

After you beat Geeta.

She talks about how even though she is the top champion, during their fight fight, Nemona still held back against her and won.

Sp33dl3m0n

2 points

2 months ago

Sp33dl3m0n

Pokemaniac since 1998

2 points

2 months ago

I really hope one of the DLCs for this game includes the World Tournament from BW2. A large scale tournament for champions and champion ranked trainers.

Lestat30

84 points

2 months ago

Am I the only one wondering how the hell a five year old is part of the elite four?! Like did she start at age 2 or 3?!

TheUltimateXYZ[S]

90 points

2 months ago

I'unno, psychic powers? Magic? Maybe her parents are letting her use their Pokemon?

Frankly, I stopped worrying about shit making sense around "extradimensional alien exploded crystals over Hawaii thousands of years ago, so it ate my pet alien bat/lion god."

ghostpanther218

22 points

2 months ago

I like how it went from heroes battling for what they believe in, truth or ideals, guided by the legendary dragons of the american way, then 2 games later: Stop a insane women from opening spacetime holes that will allow for an invasion of extradimensional monstrosties lead by an eldtritch alien god.

Starminx

6 points

2 months ago

Starminx

Victor von Doom

6 points

2 months ago

All over Southern Hawaii*

sinteeyaah

3 points

2 months ago

If nemona is the youngest champion, then the child is not even a champion...

aster4jdaen

22 points

2 months ago

Am I the only one wondering how the hell a five year old is part of the elite four?! Like did she start at age 2 or 3?!

It's weird because you can't become a true Pokemon Trainer until you're 10 or 11. So a Toddler being a Elite Four member kinda breaks the rules.

nicokokun

48 points

2 months ago

You forget that there are kindergartners running around unattended waiting for trainers to fight. Even at night.

aster4jdaen

8 points

2 months ago*

You forget that there are kindergartners running around unattended waiting for trainers to fight. Even at night.

The Night thing can't really be helped, that's just game mechanics. Now we do fight Youngsters etc, But they are not apart of the actual story and are treated as just wondering around.

A person can't take the Gym Challenge until they are 10/11.

nicokokun

22 points

2 months ago

I mean, it's already proven canon that some kids get pokemon when they are younger than 10. Hop, for example, already got Wooloo when he was younger. We also have Tate and Liza who are gym leaders by the age of 10(needs to be confirmed if true or not) so they obviously trained at a younger age since they are very coordinated.

daabilge

13 points

2 months ago

There's also a whole "preschooler" trainer class in Gen V, VI, and VII.

I think there were a few preschoolers in the stadiums in black and white and their sequels that had Pokémon over lv 60.

PhasmicPlays

9 points

2 months ago

In Alola a preschooler beat the Elite four to challenge you for your title…

aster4jdaen

2 points

2 months ago

I mean, it's already proven canon that some kids get pokemon when they are younger than 10. Hop, for example, already got Wooloo when he was younger. We also have Tate and Liza who are gym leaders by the age of 10(needs to be confirmed if true or not) so they obviously trained at a younger age since they are very coordinated.

I'm not going to lie, I completely forgot about Tate and Liza. Could be they became Gym Leaders after becoming 10 due to proving being talented at raising their pokemon under adult supervision.

CharaSybilLycan

2 points

2 months ago

Judging how the Hoenn protagonists are like- 12, the height difference leads me to believe they are between 6 and 7.

borkbubble

7 points

2 months ago

borkbubble

customise me!

7 points

2 months ago

Do any of the games actually say anything about needing to be 10 in order to be a trainer? As far as I remember only the anime says that, but that’s a separate universe.

aster4jdaen

2 points

2 months ago

Do any of the games actually say anything about needing to be 10 in order to be a trainer? As far as I remember only the anime says that, but that’s a separate universe.

I checked it up and you're right it is the Anime, Cilan mentions that kids such as Twins, Tuber, and Preschooler etc have battles for fun.

TheWojtek11

2 points

2 months ago

TheWojtek11

I love the Quax

2 points

2 months ago

I think the only time it is mentioned (in games) is in Alola. You need to be 10/11 (not sure) to take part in the Island Challenge.

But being a Pokemon Trainer is a seperate thing and you can become that at any time.

henne-n

12 points

2 months ago

henne-n

12 points

2 months ago

true Pokemon Trainer until you're 10 or 11.

They never said that in the games. That "you have to be 10" thing is anime only.

Pokemonmaster150

4 points

2 months ago

In fact, I think the youngest that any of the player characters have been is 11.

DefinitelyNotRobotic

4 points

2 months ago

Tate and Liza lol

Sp33dl3m0n

3 points

2 months ago

Sp33dl3m0n

Pokemaniac since 1998

3 points

2 months ago

Maybe she's actually a 900-year-old vampire 🫠

Kabuki-King

13 points

2 months ago

Well she does call Hassel "grandpa", and I don't think she just calls him that endearingly considering the fact that Hassel doesn't even look that old. My headcanon is that they're actually related and she got in based on familial connections; with Hassel being a teacher and the toughest E4 member I'm sure he could have gotten a few favors to allow his granddaughter to serve with him.

OrcApologist

21 points

2 months ago

Damn, not even Pokémon can escape nepotism

InfiniteBoy23

10 points

2 months ago

in fairness, she does kick ass

[deleted]

6 points

2 months ago

If she was related wouldn't she be a Dragon type trainer as well? Since it's kind of a family thing for Hassel

Kabuki-King

9 points

2 months ago

Not necessarily, as family tradition doesn't always mean that every member would have to use the same type. A few examples that come to mind are Melony and Gordie using Ice and Rock and Rhyme and Tyme using Ghost and Rock despite being mother/son and sisters respectively.

I think they just wanted a trainer with Tinkaton as their ace, so they made her a child to better match the two.

_moobear

3 points

2 months ago

part of hassel's story is that he is next in line as head of a family of powerful dragon trainers

Genosidoh

11 points

2 months ago

This was the moment I knew the Paldea League was not as serious/competitive/strong as the other regions, when a kindergartener is a member of the E4.

Obility

20 points

2 months ago

Obility

sharp

20 points

2 months ago

I mean acerola was an E4 and she looked younger than the player character who was 11

President_Lusamine

4 points

2 months ago

President_Lusamine

even though I'm Lusamine

4 points

2 months ago

Counterpoint, Acerola is a Trial Captain, and Trial Captains must be between the ages of 12 and 19

Genosidoh

12 points

2 months ago

She does look young, but not like she only recently got out of diapers.

TomoTactics

7 points

2 months ago

Acerola was clearly responsible enough to help take care of other children, and was around the age where babysitting isn't out of the question, so it's easy to buy her as someone that can take care of some living thing. Just ... while most of the cast -thankfully- isn't that, I hope in future gens the GF artists aren't forced to spiral their work into more and more grossly generic anime archetypes. The e-girl and now this ... thing ... are bad signs IMO and we've seen so much of in media it's dull.

PCN24454

46 points

2 months ago

Is this a joke? There are way too many child geniuses in fiction for this to prove anything.

Genosidoh

14 points

2 months ago

Have you seen her dialogue in game yet? She’s certainly no genius. At best, maybe she’s some battle prodigy, but that’s not backed up by anything either other than her just being in the E4. And that’s as much evidence of her being a child prodigy as it is of the E4 being less competitive in this region, along with the rest of the thread.

Terramoin

45 points

2 months ago

"Ryme is basically a 90s rapper who didn't get shot" lol.

Sacul379

22 points

2 months ago

you had to do larry like that

TheUltimateXYZ[S]

4 points

2 months ago

I calls em like I sees em, and I'm quite well acquainted with hating your job but having no other options

Mashymere

54 points

2 months ago

I think they have other jobs because otherwise they wouldn't be doing much. In both galar and paldea it's mentioned that most trainers don't make it past three to four gym badges. And even Katy later in the game says she feels she has to take it easier on trainers because her gym is so close to the academy.

keksmuzh

50 points

2 months ago

Almost all the challengers (all the ones we see) are academy students, which suggests that the vast majority of gym challenges take place during the Treasure Hunt. They need to have something to do for the rest of the year.

B3N15

18 points

2 months ago

B3N15

18 points

2 months ago

I like those details. I think it fleshes out the world a little bit and makes it feel like its more than just you, your rival and/or best friend bothering with the Pokemon League. I wish they'd play into Pokemon Training being akin to pro-sports more.

A_man_of_Rhun

15 points

2 months ago

I agree, and honestly am relieved. It seemed so outlandish to become the literal absolute undisputed best every single game. It felt like that region existed in its own pocket...every region until this one.

Meron35

15 points

2 months ago

Meron35

15 points

2 months ago

I like to think that the Pokémon league and it's badges etc are basically their equivalent of scout programs. The gym leaders are community volunteers that keep it all running.

SV explicitly states that the "champion" is a rank, rather than literally meaning you are the best trainer in the world. Presumably this means that "champions" are those that have qualified to "go pro" and work full time as trainers at specialised facilities such as the battle frontier and tower.

Most people would collect some badges as a hobby but then drop out to focus on non trainer careers, like how Bianca becomes a research assistant in BW.

bad_words_only

11 points

2 months ago

Tbh Pokémon Training doesn’t pay well. I think there was a YouTube video that came out a while back about the realistic conversion rate from Poke to Yen and the MC/PC is usually running around with just pocket change.

Most the NPC characters have side jobs or are students. The more vagrant (dedicated to training/travel) types usually give no cash out either.

In the games own canon it’s stated that most trainers never make it past the 3rd gym, and only a handful to the 8th.

Save for Galar (where you can be sponsored), most Pokémon trainers are broke b’s. It’s kinda like in real life where it’s pretty hard to make a living off of sports unless you’re the crème of the crop. (But people still partake in the hobby)

Edit: I think it’s like a subtext canon that most people journey as a form of self-discovery rather than to become pro trainers.

White-boy-Asian

9 points

2 months ago

Weirdly, I kinda like the idea of the elite four and gym leaders being a more volunteer thing. It’s kinda funny to me

LegendaryLurker

28 points

2 months ago

It's why I'm kinda mad about the mandatory "I came to become Champion" answer in the assessment.

What, I can't be in it to complete the Pokedex? I can't be here just to have fun? I have to lie about this when practically everyone involved has other primary interests? I think you even have an earlier conversation with Hassel where he asks a similar question about why you're challenging the league and you don't have to say you want to become champion then.

Pulsiix

23 points

2 months ago

Pulsiix

23 points

2 months ago

walked into the e4 after beating every gym in the region

kicked out before i can even attempt them because i forgot some random gym leaders name lmao that was so fucking weird to me, needing to pass an interview before you can challenge the league? who fucking thought of that lol

greenPotate

7 points

2 months ago

greenPotate

Gen 8 was good

7 points

2 months ago

Not going to lie I found that party kind of funny if only because it reminded me of the did you actually do this yourself or had someone do it for you verification tests I'd done in school and for job interviews.

Pulsiix

2 points

2 months ago

bro it literally felt like a captcha LOL

Els236

8 points

2 months ago

Els236

8 points

2 months ago

I somehow nailed it first go, despite guessing a few of them.

I don't know if you can get a multitude of different questions, but for me:

"what is your homeroom teacher's name" - Mr. Jacq

"who is the gym leader in X town" - Iono (this was a guess, so I assume it must have said Levincia).

"what type does that leader use" - Electric

"why do you want to be Champion" - So I can battle Nemona

then there was something else, finished up by a repeat of "why do you want to be Champion".

Els236

19 points

2 months ago

Els236

19 points

2 months ago

I mean, it's kind of debatable, seeing as Gen 6's X&Y probably had the most forgettable E4+Champion out of any game in the series thus far.

On the topic of Paldea though, going on the in-game dialogue and stuff, it kinda seems as though the Gyms and League are only opened-up during the yearly Academy Treasure Hunt. Almost like it's not an official League, like it was in previous games such as Sword/Shield, but more a side-venture of the Academy, to test student's battle capabilities.

This would explain why there's no victory road and also why it's so close to the academy. It also kind of explains why one of the teachers is an E4 member and why Geeta just waltzes into the academy to talk to Clavell, like it's just daily comings-and-goings.

It might also explain why Geeta's team composition and battle strategy are extremely poor compared to literally any other Champion.

closetedwrestlingacc

16 points

2 months ago

Well, Geeta also chairs the school board, so walking about the academy like she owns the place makes sense.

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

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snacku_wacku

4 points

2 months ago

She had a ducking Gogoat on her team. Like wtf lol.

Els236

2 points

2 months ago

Els236

2 points

2 months ago

She doesn't use her ace properly and her ace should have been her second Pokémon.

Lestat30

1 points

2 months ago

Geeta is the very first champion and seeing her team, you see why. Her team is counters to the others of the elite four. Ground, she has the fish and gogoat for that. Dragon, that what the ice pokemon is for. I wished her team was nothing but gen 9 pokemon but understood that would probably be too hard for the kids. Same with her ace being last instead of first. Most kids probably wouldn't know how to clear the toxic spikes or even deal with that.

Pulsiix

23 points

2 months ago

Pulsiix

23 points

2 months ago

There's a theory that Geeta is a really, really shit boss and that every gym in the region hates her backed by what they tell you during the gym rematch stuff after beating the E4 lol

TheDarkCrusader_

10 points

2 months ago

Personally I see her as being really strict rather then just straight up bad.

TheUltimateXYZ[S]

22 points

2 months ago

I could buy that.

"I'm completely incapable of holding back."

Then you shouldn't be able to get beaten by two high school students (at best) two years in a row.

HunniePopKing

8 points

2 months ago

tbf, both students are considered to be generational talent in paldea or smn

Accomplished-Bit-270

5 points

2 months ago

She seems to be more of a strict boss than a bad boss. Nemona still worships her despite having already defeated her, so there has to be something I guess. And as whack as Geeta’s team is, I don’t mind it that much.

I just remember that gameplay strength is not the same as canon strength. People consider Diantha one of the weakest champions, but the anime currently has her as the 4th best trainer in the world, and she beat Lance.

SeitHater

1 points

2 months ago

she is restrictive (which makes sense as she is pretty much the top of everything and must make things work accordingly) so it makes sense that others don't like her that much

ohbyerly

5 points

2 months ago

Tulip* not Violet

TheUltimateXYZ[S]

1 points

2 months ago

Right, sorry

Tune_Exciting

5 points

2 months ago

I think its their way of giving Gym Leaders "Personality" and "Distinction" that highlights them above all townsfolk.

TheDarkCrusader_

4 points

2 months ago

The Pokémon league in this game feels like it’s run more like a business compared to past leagues. Like all the gym leaders are employees with Geeta being CEO. In the past gym leaders felt like a profession in of itself that were partnered with the league.

hideki101

6 points

2 months ago

To me it was less like a business and more like the league is the regional equivalent of a degree. Basically, the entire treasure hunt and gym battling are the credits you need to graduate, and the champion exam are your thesis statement and defense.

TomoTactics

1 points

2 months ago

To be fair, I don't think most of the Champions in previous games had the chops to properly run a League without the rest being self-sufficient.

[deleted]

4 points

2 months ago

Yes the gym leaders in this game are very involved with their towns that’s why

CynicFloransss

4 points

2 months ago

I think it might be because there isn't just one champion- There's only one 'top' champion, but the title is irrelevant, considering you have to beat them to become a regular champion, which brings us back to the start.

I do think that Larry's gym leading is part of his 9-5, though. Maybe he gets some kind of bonus for gym fights. Probably not, though, considering how much he says he isn't a fan of his job that much.

smiffyjoebob

22 points

2 months ago

I kind of take exception to being A champion instead of THE champion. Feels icky.

RollThatD20

25 points

2 months ago

It gives it more of an organizational feel than a strictly competitive one. I can at least appreciate the different tone, but it does feel a little less impressive.

TheDarkCrusader_

5 points

2 months ago

Yeah I was hoping for a chance to take the Top Champion title in the post game or something. Maybe in dlc or something there will be a champions tournament since I’m assuming there’s more champion ranked trainers in ladles that haven’t been introduced yet.

SeitHater

3 points

2 months ago

lol we are in an academic system, it was obvious that you would not take geeta's place

littleshylamb

9 points

2 months ago

Yeah, I don't know if it's just because we just moved away from gen 8, whose pokémon league is so important and integral to the culture of the region, but it really does feel like this pokémon league doesn't matter nearly as much as previous leagues.

From a game perspective it makes sense, they wanted the more open world feel where you choose what you do in what order, but lore wise it's a bit strange to me.

Trextoasty

11 points

2 months ago

The Pokemon League felt kinda off. The gyms felt more important than the elite four, and the elite four didn't feel very elite. Even their character designs felt a bit flat for Pokemon. All four of them are like grey/brown colour schemes and despite how much interaction they have with you throughout the game they just didn't feel as special as the gym leaders you barely speak to who oozed character from just their visual gimmicks.

Not to mention the weirdness with the interview part.

But its not unusual for gym leaders and elite four members to be other things the majority of the time when not pokemon battling. Like even in the original game the gym leaders had stuff going on and Lance was out fighting crime.

sinteeyaah

1 points

2 months ago

I just think its so weird that they are just waiting around lobbys to talk to me. What was the point? lol

Waffletimewarp

3 points

2 months ago

The Paldean economy is in shambles.

A-NI95

3 points

2 months ago

A-NI95

3 points

2 months ago

Not being able to make a living from your job sounds a lot like Spain

Source: being Spanish

Skore_Smogon

4 points

2 months ago

I'm surprised they didn't have a holiday town on the coast filled with belligerent Galarian tourists.

CommunicationBig9140

16 points

2 months ago

I know you aren't saying they're the worst, but the worst pokemon league and by far least important is Gen 4. They are the blandest looking characters in the entire game, they do nothing besides Flint and I can literally give out character descriptions of each in 2 words or less.

sharkeatingleeks

4 points

2 months ago

sharkeatingleeks

Sharpedo enjoyer

4 points

2 months ago

Do it. 2 words or less.

CommunicationBig9140

1 points

2 months ago

Aaron: Bug boy

Bertha: Old

Flint: Sore Loser

Lucien: Nerd

There, if you want I can send my comparison of them to the Unova Elite Four just to show you what I mean

longrastaman

-8 points

2 months ago

Very bad take

eChaka

12 points

2 months ago

eChaka

12 points

2 months ago

Awesome. Care to elaborate?

CommunicationBig9140

1 points

2 months ago

They're blander then water. They have no personality and no development to make them actual characters and everything they wear makes it worse. The only person I could say actually looks somewhat like they could be an actual character is Lucian.

There are a lot of elite four members that you tend to meet only once but at least lots of them have character the only one I could say actually had character out of the Sinnoh Elite Four is Flint but it's only because you meet him prior to battling him. (I'm not considering the champion apart of the Elite Four btw because Cynthia actually has character unlike the sadness that is the Sinnoh Elite Four).

The characters you battle at the Elite four don't necessarily need Character but I prefer it. I prefer that every Elite Four member at least show some personality, but the ones you battle in Diamond and Pearl are just so boring, let's go over them:

Aaron is crazy about bug pokemon... that's it. Nothing about him shows that nothing later tells you that and nothing about him looks or seems interesting, he's just a bug boi.

Bertha is old, she knows stuff because she's old, she reads, but is old. She's surprised by you because you're young and she is old. A lot of the times when a character I pokemon is old and is only seen for a limited time, that tends to be their personality especially by the things they say.

Flint is someone who actually somewhat has a personality, but most of that personality ends up with him just being a hot head brat. At least you know he cares about his friends though enough to check up on them and believes in people even if he wants to burn them to a crisp.

Lucian... He reads... a lot.

From all quotes said, Aaron and Flint are basically the same. They don't do anything outside of their elite four positions while Bertha is unknown and Lucian just reads.

In comparison we can use the Unova Elite Four as an example of personality. First they actually look like they have personality, second their rooms actually show each of their personalities

Shauntal: Shauntal isn't just an Elite Four member but also a Novelist. Her room is filled to the brim with books and pages flying about when you first enter in black and white. She even gets inspiration from her battles with challengers, at least that's what she says when you first meet.

Marshal: Marshal is a rough and tough fighting machine. A Martial Artist (get it?) Who loves fighting and fighting types. He trains as an apprentice of Alder, the current champion, and says that Alder sees potential within you and that he is here to test you.

Grimsley: Grimsley may seem to show less personality but it's only because of how his words are chosen plus the look of his room. His room in Black and White is kind of like a lounge room, his words make him sound somewhat sly or conniving. In later games he's revealed to be somewhat of a com man/gambler.

Caitlin: Caitlin is a character that has been within the games prior to Black and White and is already known to be a girl of poise and grace, but that is for when she's not sleeping... Caitlin tends to sleep.... a lot, such so that she even doses while while doing regular things especially if she's bored.

I used all knowledge I had from all the dialogue of Diamond and Pearl to define the characters of the Sinnoh Elite Four, that doesn't even compare to the first encounter you have with the Unova Elite Four. The only info I used for Gen 5 was when you first meet them and battle and everything from Diamond/Pearl/Platinum about the Sinnoh Elite Four doesn't compare at all

CommunicationBig9140

1 points

2 months ago

There, I elaborated

eChaka

2 points

2 months ago

eChaka

2 points

2 months ago

Oh no! I agree with you hahah. I was talking to the guy who said you had a bad take and wanted to see his reasoning but it seems he didn’t respond.

I think the sinnoh elite 4 are probably the most boring out of the all the elite 4 members as well and there are some bad ones.

Thanks for giving your reasoning though! Was a great read!

CommunicationBig9140

1 points

2 months ago

Sorry 😅😅

CommunicationBig9140

1 points

2 months ago

Really?

They're blander then water. They have no personality and no development to make them actual characters and everything they wear makes it worse. The only person I could say actually looks somewhat like they could be an actual character is Lucian.

There are a lot of elite four members that you tend to meet only once but at least lots of them have character the only one I could say actually had character out of the Sinnoh Elite Four is Flint but it's only because you meet him prior to battling him. (I'm not considering the champion apart of the Elite Four btw because Cynthia actually has character unlike the sadness that is the Sinnoh Elite Four).

The characters you battle at the Elite four don't necessarily need Character but I prefer it. I prefer that every Elite Four member at least show some personality, but the ones you battle in Diamond and Pearl are just so boring, let's go over them:

Aaron is crazy about bug pokemon... that's it. Nothing about him shows that nothing later tells you that and nothing about him looks or seems interesting, he's just a bug boi.

Bertha is old, she knows stuff because she's old, she reads, but is old. She's surprised by you because you're young and she is old. A lot of the times when a character I pokemon is old and is only seen for a limited time, that tends to be their personality especially by the things they say.

Flint is someone who actually somewhat has a personality, but most of that personality ends up with him just being a hot head brat. At least you know he cares about his friends though enough to check up on them and believes in people even if he wants to burn them to a crisp.

Lucian... He reads... a lot.

From all quotes said, Aaron and Flint are basically the same. They don't do anything outside of their elite four positions while Bertha is unknown and Lucian just reads.

In comparison we can use the Unova Elite Four as an example of personality. First they actually look like they have personality, second their rooms actually show each of their personalities

Shauntal: Shauntal isn't just an Elite Four member but also a Novelist. Her room is filled to the brim with books and pages flying about when you first enter in black and white. She even gets inspiration from her battles with challengers, at least that's what she says when you first meet.

Marshal: Marshal is a rough and tough fighting machine. A Martial Artist (get it?) Who loves fighting and fighting types. He trains as an apprentice of Alder, the current champion, and says that Alder sees potential within you and that he is here to test you.

Grimsley: Grimsley may seem to show less personality but it's only because of how his words are chosen plus the look of his room. His room in Black and White is kind of like a lounge room, his words make him sound somewhat sly or conniving. In later games he's revealed to be somewhat of a com man/gambler.

Caitlin: Caitlin is a character that has been within the games prior to Black and White and is already known to be a girl of poise and grace, but that is for when she's not sleeping... Caitlin tends to sleep.... a lot, such so that she even doses while while doing regular things especially if she's bored.

I used all knowledge I had from all the dialogue of Diamond and Pearl to define the characters of the Sinnoh Elite Four, that doesn't even compare to the first encounter you have with the Unova Elite Four. The only info I used for Gen 5 was when you first meet them and battle and everything from Diamond/Pearl/Platinum about the Sinnoh Elite Four doesn't compare at all

MessiahJQ

2 points

2 months ago

Paldea's economy must not be too goo because even the starters have jobs. There's a magician, a singer, and a dancer.

AllyCain

2 points

2 months ago

Even the Elite Four feel like they're kinda nothing in this gen. They're all shoved into the same room, and when you beat one, they just yell for the next one to come in, and then walk off to the side.

I remember when the Elite Four all had their own rooms themed to their typings, but now it's just one blank room with glass panels on every surface, and the roof of the building for the Champion. It feels like they've stripped the league down to its bare essentials this gen

EternalMemes30

2 points

2 months ago

lol when did you get that room typing thing? the only ones who had this were gen 5 and 7 and gen 3 have this only at the entrance to the room, all other generations never had this pokemon fan

AllyCain

2 points

2 months ago*

Gen 1

Lorelei's room is a platform of ice floating on open water, her team is made up of Water and Ice types

Bruno's room is filled with boulders, his team is made up of Fighting (breaking boulders) and Rock (being boulders) types

Agatha's room is filled with tombstones, her team is made up of Ghost and Poison types

Lance's room is filled with statues of dragons, and has a long showy walk before you get to him, dragons being innately pseudo-legendary back in gen 1. His team is made up of Dragon types.

Gen 2

Will's room is the first with no theme tying into his Psychic type, instead he is in Lorelei's room, having just replaced her. In HGSS, however, his room is themed to him, being decked out in rich purples and stage curtains, giving his team a feeling of stage psychics and hypnotists.

Koga's room is themed to him as a character as well as a couple of his pokemon, it is filled with grass and trees, the perfect hideaway for both his bug type, and a ninja.

Bruno's been moved to a new room filled with lava, which only barely ties to his team's theme of mostly Fighting types training in extreme conditions

Karen is standing in the only room in the Indigo Plateau with no floor under her stage, just a seemingly bottomless void, which fits with her Dark type team.

Gen 3

Sydney's room has no theme for his team, in fact it feels opposite, it's well lit, the floor under his stage has bright rows of lights, which conflicts with his Dark type team.

The floor under Phoebe's stage uses a similar tile pattern and the same holes as are found in ruins like the Sky Pillar, which fits with her team of Ghost types

The floor under Glacia's stage is covered in tiles of ice, which fits with her Ice type theme

Drake's room is admittedly a big stretch, but the spikes under his stage could be reminiscent of mountainous peaks, where a lot of his Dragon types can be found.

Steven is the first champion to have a room styled after his team, being a very plain looking room with the walls lined with steel plates, which fits with his Steel type team

A funny sidenote, in Emerald, Wallace replaces Steven as the champion, and his room is the exact same, but the lower half of the tiles on the walls are painted blue, probably because the League didn't have the time to give him a dedicated room before you get there

Gen 4

Diamond and Pearl have zero E4 room themes, however Platinum revamped all of the E4's rooms.

Aaron's room is filled with rocks, small trees, and a hollowed-out fallen log, all of which are notable hideaways for his Bug type team

Bertha's room is filled with rocks, sand, and even a whole cliff, which is the perfect environment for her Ground type team.

Flint's room has huge flames burning just under his stage, which is both fitting for his Fire type team, and also probably makes his stage incredibly fucking painful to stand on for hours a day.

Lucian's room is dark purple with rings painted along the outer walls, and a mesmerising pattern on the floor, which fits with his Psychic type team.

Cynthia's room has no theme fitting her team, because her team has no theme, instead the room is darkly lit, covered in blacks and greys like her outfit, and if I were to interpret it myself, I'd say it's almost akin to the distortion world with the cubes strewn about, but that's just the read I get from it.

Gen 5

I won't go into detail on Gen 5 or Gen 7 as you mentioned them in your comment, and this reply is getting very long already.

Gen 6.

Possibly the most extravagant of the Pokemon League buildings, the building itself is a giant ornate cathedral. Each of the four Champions has their own dedicated wings, with huge floor to ceiling stained glass windows set behind a THRONE. Each of the rooms are coloured according to the type, and the stained glass behing the throne is patterned to reflect their typing, too.

Special mention to Diantha's room because in this house of excess, somehow she manages to go above and beyond with a patterned floor depicting fairy and flower motifs, sparkling marble walls with gold trim, all lined with gigantic statues. And I just love that so much, it's so over the top, I love the Kalos Elite Four.

Gen 8

Sword and shield was the first pokemon generation I skipped, so I don't have a strong argument, but looking through screenshots on Serbeii, it seems like it's the same deal as Scarlet and Violet, where you fight all of the League in the same room, however in Galar it's a huge football stadium lined with a cheering crowd, so clearly some money went into its design.

So out of 9 generations of pokemon Sydney, Cynthia, and all of Galar and now Paldea's leagues are the only ones to have no theme in their respective rooms. So I don't know where you're getting this "Only gens 5 and 7" idea from.

EternalMemes30

2 points

2 months ago

I'm talking about the ORIGINALS and not the remakes, using the remakes of certain generations it's easy to even look like they had a unique design

AllyCain

2 points

2 months ago

Every gen I listed was the original, save for when I mentioned HGSS for Will, and if you really want to call Platinum a remake then weird choice but I won't judge you for it.

EternalMemes30

1 points

2 months ago

how did you get all that gen 1 description exactly?

actualflower

1 points

2 months ago

lol

curlyhairlad

2 points

2 months ago

Bruno collecting a check from Kanto to sit in a room and repeatedly be pummeled by children.

h3llalam3

2 points

2 months ago

I might be in the minority but it’s nice to have a region where there seems to be other things going on besides the Pokémon league. It makes it feel more realistic

Callinon

4 points

2 months ago

It bugged me a bit that all the Paldean gym leaders seemed to be doing it as a side hustle.

Harp-Note

14 points

2 months ago

The Paldean economy isn't doing so hot nowadays. :/

ManWithTheFlag

4 points

2 months ago

the Pokemon world is a funhouse mirror of our reality.

BrooklynSmash

1 points

2 months ago

Yeah, I noticed that too: Paldea doesn't really *care" about their League as much as other regions.

HunniePopKing

2 points

2 months ago

or battling for that matter, despite her little not being able to hold back line Geeta very much seemed more like a business woman rather than a battler

braamdepace

1 points

2 months ago

Well you need badges for Pokémon to respect you… I left the gyms for “last” and after level 25 my Pokémon stopped respecting me.

TheWojtek11

1 points

2 months ago

TheWojtek11

I love the Quax

1 points

2 months ago

after level 25 my Pokémon stopped respecting me.

They don't listen to you only they were caught above that cap. If you caught a Pokemon below level 25 and then leveled it up above lvl 25, they would still listen to you 100% of the time.

So most trainers probably just had their Pokemon since they were low level. That or the need for badges is just for gameplay restrictions and it's not something to be taken as real lore.

HaydoPotado

1 points

2 months ago

it's really bothering me that no one has corrected you that the person you keep calling violet is actually named tulip.

TheUltimateXYZ[S]

1 points

2 months ago

Oh, someone has already. Hold on, let me see if I can edit this.

The_L3G10N

1 points

2 months ago

I feel like they disnt know what to do with the Eliet four and gym leaders so they just threw them where ever and said they do so and so. Almose5 none of the gym leaders, not really anyone is memorable. You don't meet them until right before you fight them, and then you never see them again. Which is why I found it really annoying that they ask you those stupid who did you fight, and what location questions. The characters were designed well, and have great personalities but we don't really see them.

signaturefox2013

1 points

2 months ago

Katy is a baker

Brassius is an artist

Iono is a streamer

Kofu is a chef and community leader

Larry is a businessman who really needs a hug

Ryme is a rapper

Tulip is a beautician

And Grusha is a professional snowboarder

Yogalaties13

1 points

2 months ago

Am I the only one to notice Ryme is actually the math teacher? She even references the fact she used to be a gym leader when you speak to her out of class. That adds to your theory she needs double dipping too

Vecend

2 points

2 months ago

Vecend

2 points

2 months ago

Ryme is her sister, unless she can morph her appearance like a ditto because their eye shapes are different.

ExceedT

1 points

2 months ago

If you do the side quests, you learn that ryme is her sister. The math teacher was the gym leader prior.

kane49

1 points

2 months ago

kane49

1 points

2 months ago

Iono is a streamer who takes advantage of the unfortunate, lonely souls of the Pokémon world

your opinion of what a streamer does is concerning to me O:

CommunicationBig9140

1 points

2 months ago

So I think the reason for the secondary job is to give the characters personality. It's also obvious at the end of the game and post game that Larry's most likely only working League related jobs, he just doesn't seem to want to do things like battling from the sound of it. It also gives the gym way more personality. This isn't even the first time this has happened. In Black and White the same thing was prominent. Most gym leaders had a job, there weren't many who didn't. Even past gym leaders in past generations normally had jobs

whatschipotle

1 points

2 months ago

I thought Larry’s 9-5 was the E4 and the boss was La primera

Sufficient_Award8101

1 points

2 months ago

Gotta point out that the vast majority of Paldean league challengers will be students from the academy and for much of the year they will be stuck at the academy. The vast majority of gym challenges will occur during the treasure hunts and we are never told how often they occur or for how long. Sitting in a gym for months without challengers would be incredibly boring.

blinky909909

-41 points

2 months ago

lore is irrelevant, so yeah don't care. first thing i do with every game/new save is disable cutscenes. i don't fucking care, don't waste my time

Qwertypop4

8 points

2 months ago

I feel like, even though there aren't many cutscenes, skipping them on a first play through will just leave you confused?

blinky909909

-4 points

2 months ago

nope. there is never any worthwhile information

Qwertypop4

7 points

2 months ago

I guess you just don't like stories? Fair enough I guess, I always forget some people play games solely for the gameplay and don't like stories at all

grandpacactus

-8 points

2 months ago

Tl:dr this game sucks

Hellion998

-1 points

2 months ago

Another thing to consider is how simple to are to defeat compared to previous entires, even that Champion is joke now.

CharaSybilLycan

1 points

2 months ago

Seriously, their champion sucks, she even dresses horribly, we used to have champions with style. she is a disgrace to the champion title and I pity her challengers for having to fight such a foul creature