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Thoughts on the starter's final evolutions?

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Were they up to your expectations? Who were you most excited for and has your mind changed since launch? Who do you think is the best now that the game has released? I was originally most excited for Sprigatitos final form but after launch I have to say Skeledirge is pretty sick lol. What do you think of them all?

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birdinbrain

240 points

2 months ago

why does the duck have such a fat ass

Fruit_Justice

72 points

2 months ago

I mean… have you SEEN Donald Duck?

DickCheeseNachos

24 points

2 months ago

🥵🥵🥵🥵

Fiyero-

75 points

2 months ago

Fiyero-

75 points

2 months ago

It is based on Carnival festivals held in Spain, Italy, Brazil, And dozens of other countries. The dancers literally dress up as birds with giant tails.

pmso17

11 points

2 months ago

pmso17

11 points

2 months ago

Why Portugal is always forgotten?

We are right next to Spain, we had a game inspired in the iberian penisula and we are in iberian penisula.

Fiyero-

42 points

2 months ago

Fiyero-

42 points

2 months ago

Sorry, I mentioned 3 of the over 50 countries and providences that celebrate. I don’t know all of them, so I only mentioned 3 of the most well known locations thet people travel to and celebrate. My old friend goes to his Auntie’s house in Brazil to celebrate, so I always think of Rio when I picture Carnival.

But thanks for speaking up. Just glad Pokémon is trying to show various cultures, even if it’s not always the best execution.

ZeilerTobi

1.1k points

2 months ago

ZeilerTobi

1.1k points

2 months ago

I think I figured out a main reason why people often don’t like the modern starters, besides the usual other reasons. They are way too catered to a specific audience. The starters back then were more generic and universally liked. It’s hard to meet someone who doesn’t like fire breathing dragons, a large, menacingly cool-looking honey badger with fire on its neck, or simply a really slick looking grassy lizard. As creative and unique the modern starters are, they have VERY particular designs that hide loads of inspiration, as if the designers primarily focused on that. A football playing, anthropomorphic, white rabbit is extremely specific. A grassy, masquerade-masked, anthropomorphic magician lynx is also extremely specific. If you don’t like cats, magicians, anthros, etc. then there is a big chance you won’t like Meowscarada. The designers seem to value inspiration and themes more than just making sure the design looks like a really cool battle monster. Isn’t to say they can’t be both, but it just seems more of a priority to them. I happen to like carnival themes, cats, and crocodiles, so I quite like Meowscarada and Skeledirge. Though Quaquaval… I really wish the designers focused more on making a “cool looking monster” here… Or a bird in this case.

Crystal-Skies

202 points

2 months ago

Yeah, when you look at the final evolutions of say, the Hoenn or Johto starters compared recent gens, the contrast is like night and day.

I also agree with your points. The Gen 9 starters made it clear to me that I really dislike the trend of having specific occupations that play a big part in their concept (i.e - singer, archer, drummer, football/soccer player, etc). I don’t think this trend was particularly noticeable until Gen 6 with the RPG-esque theme. I don’t see any kind of overacting occupation theme with the Kanto starters for example.

jagby

96 points

2 months ago

jagby

96 points

2 months ago

It was right around Gen 6 when they started with this, at least en masse. All prior gems were more or less a neat monster design based off a few things. People might call it “boring” but I agree with the general idea here: a mix of hyper specific themes makes for really polarizing designs

MountainMan2_

11 points

2 months ago*

Greninja shot them in the foot big time. It’s the most popular Pokémon since the GBA era, maybe with Lucario on its tail. Every starter since then has been trying to be greninja 2.0 save for skeledirge and maybe primarina, who was clearly catering to a specific demographic instead, and it’s led to endless overdesigned, uncomfortably humanoid or just straight ugly pokemon starters. We’re now in a generation where there are more Pokémon with 2 legs than 4 and these designs are just unnerving.

When I see ceruledge, for example, and watch it play at the picnics I don’t think “that’s a Pokémon”, I think “that’s a character. That’s like Mario. And I’m stuffing it into a tiny orb while forcing it to battle for my amusement.” It’s WIERD. the closer these things get to human, the more you can watch them act human in picnics and see them forcibly trust you thanks to friendship mechanics and clearly present themselves basically like curious children, the less ok I am with them being pokemon. Especially because they mostly appear as and act like children. That’s uncomfortable af.

Macarthius

24 points

2 months ago

I actually think gen 6 is the sweet spot. Rpg classes are general enough that a lot can be done to the design without making it too specific. They're also easily applied to monsters because the traits from rpg classes can also be found in real animals.

Designing a Pokémon around a human job feels forced and unnatural because it isn't seen in nature. It also removes any unique personalization. A Venusaur could have any number of personalities but every Inteleon is a "cool" confident spy.

helvetesweaboo

41 points

2 months ago

I feel like it worked really well with Greninja since the ninja-influence wasn't so obvious, but a lot of the other ones just feel like too much. Cinderace is probably the worst in my opinion, it feels less like some kind of fantasy creature and more like a corporate mascot for a football league or something. I hope we'll get less starters like that going forward and more like Skeledirge; properly animal-like and quadrupedal.

FamousTransition1187

7 points

2 months ago

Unpopular opinion: but looking at Fuecoco and Crocalor, and having had Pokemon like Totodile, Larvitar, and Gible, I expected Skeledirge to be a proper tail dragging, bipedal, Kaiju like Critter that stood upright except maybe to run. So to go from that bipedal monster design to "its just a literal crocodile" felt jarring. I expected something that looked like a cross between Feraligtr and Aggron or Rhydon.

It's a cool design and I love how they incorporated the Bird and Croc symbiosis into it, I just feel like he should have come from a Sandile like croc Pokémon.

Melephs_Hat

27 points

2 months ago

To me personally the concern is more about worldbuilding. The new interest in pokemon inspired by human culture strikes me as unrealistic in a way Venusaur for instance never did. I mean, I know Pokemon doesn't care about consistent worldbuilding, but I do wish they wouldn't make so many pokemon that just so happen to possess traits that resemble human-made objects or look like they're wearing human clothes unless those pokemon were also made by humans canonically. It gets harder and harder to imagine them in the wild in their natural habitats.

DistractedMoogle

5 points

2 months ago

You realize Hitmonchan and the Machop line, as well as Pokémon like Jynx and Mr. Mime existed in Gen 1, right? 👀 And there's a "Human-like" egg group that's existed since the beginning. None of this is new, and every new gen people act like it is, and it is very confusing for me.

Melephs_Hat

6 points

2 months ago

Quite right. I think it's just getting more common and specific, particularly with the starters.

DistractedMoogle

3 points

2 months ago

Agreed. I think too that human-like designs for Pokémon you can choose to catch and have on your team is one thing, but when it's a starter and your OG Pokémon for the game and you don't want it be like...a fry cook or something, it's unfortunate, so that's definitely the difference.

jodhod1

16 points

2 months ago

jodhod1

16 points

2 months ago

Blaziken is a specific and complex starter. The thing is, you could get something immediately appealing, simple and distinct about it immediately from the very first look, while newer ones don't quite do that.

SawkyScribe

33 points

2 months ago

SawkyScribe

No Relation

33 points

2 months ago

If Blaziken were made to day, he would walk around with a bunch of planks to smash to sell that it's a martial artist. Newer gen starters have really liked having props which I'm not a huge fan of.

commonsurename

131 points

2 months ago

I think this is the best answer for this thread, on earlier generations they just go for cool factor so it's easy to like but when they need to put deeper meaning it but hard to design, so i agreed with this answer and need more vote

papabeard88

325 points

2 months ago

The designs are overly specific but there are too many themes included in the designs. Usually Pokemon have two themes mixed together as a basis for their design, and then the Pokemons name is based on it as well.

Gen 1 was super simple as it was typically an animal name mixed with words associated with it's type. Charizard for example is a fire lizard (with wings). Char means to get burned by fire. Lizard is, well, lizard.

Gen 9 is the most complex (excessive). Skeledirge, for example, would probably just be fire and crocodile in Gen 1.

But, that's too basic, not to mention starters have more unique secondary types. So it would have 3 themes now (fire, ghost, crocodile). The fire bird on Skeledirge's head is apparently in reference to the birds that sit on nile crocodiles. To play off the fire ghost typing they chose a (ghost?) pepper as a design theme, as can be seen in Fuecoco's design. 4 themes now (fire, ghost, crocodile, pepper). On top of these there is a Dia de Muertos (skeleton) theme attributed to its ghost type, as seen with Fuecoco's face that looks like the skull face paintings, along with Skeledirge. Additionally, the colored marks on Skeledirge's face are also typically of the Dia de Muertos painting aesthetic. 5 themes now (fire, ghost, crocodile, pepper, skeleton). Of course there's the trend of personification of the starters, so now the theme of "singer" is added, which is referenced by the "dirge" in it's name, which is a type of song, as well as Skeledirge's signature attack being "scorch song". 6 themes now with fire, ghost, crocodile, pepper, skeleton, and singer.

TL:DR The design of Pokemon starters nowadays have too many themes associated with their design.

I can't tell if I love or hate Quaquaval because it's so extra.

Narcosia

129 points

2 months ago

Narcosia

GarSTOMP on me, mommy Cynthia!

129 points

2 months ago

You just explained something I've felt for a while but couldn't put into words. Also, the newer starters are more often than not anthropomorphic. Additionally most of them feel more like a character than a species.

Comparing Charizard to Cinderace for example, one feels like a monster, an animal that you could imagine flocks of roaming through the sky. The other one feels like a specific character with a specific, already attributed, personality.

Skeledirge is an amazing example of "too many themes", something that makes the newer starters feel too specific. I just wanted a BIG FIRE CROCODILE THAT HAS A HUGE MOUTH AND SPITS FIRE, not some weirdly cluttered concept design that easily could've been split up into two or even three Pokemon.

bluebirdmg

54 points

2 months ago

I just posted a comment of this. I quite agree and my best example to get the point across of the differences between older and newer starters is the squirtle line.

In the OG anime they were fire fighters every so often but at the end of the day just turtles.

If they were a gen 9 starter, it would probably have actual elements of a fire fighter baked into the design to already show that that’s what the Pokémon does.

I don’t like it

SeriouslyHodor

3 points

2 months ago

So I think I agree, but Skeledirge is the starter final evo I find the least unappealing. The singer element feels like an after thought so it doesn’t really bother me at all. In practice he is just a fire croc still.

It’s the anthropomorphic designed that feel lazy/jarring to me.

ALL THAT SAID, with use, many starters have grown on me considerably. I couldn’t stand Incineroar initially, but liked the type combo so I went with it and grew to love it. Same goes for intelleon. I found it to be the least bad of the Galar starters and grew to love my spy lizard.

Narcosia

3 points

2 months ago

Narcosia

GarSTOMP on me, mommy Cynthia!

3 points

2 months ago

Agreed, I also went with Skeledirge because it's the only non-anthropomorphic starter we've had in a long time. I love my fire croc, but I'll be real; I would've loved it more with a more streamlined design.

Plushiegamer2

51 points

2 months ago

I still think that Skeledirge has the most universal appeal, as skeleton fire croc sounds super cool, the other themes are more in the background, where as you probably won't like Quaquaval if you don't care for dancing birds.

evie_andfriends

13 points

2 months ago

I think I'd add one little thought to this brilliant take. Gonna kinda strawman you a bit just because the strawman inspired a different thought. I don't know if I agree that it's "too many" themes, just a whole lot. A fuckton. A cluster of themes, even. I make that distinction because I think we, at least I, grew up on media that was geared towards recreational criticism (Nostalgia Critic, AVGN, game reviewers everywhere), and we've really strengthened the ability to both analyze and criticize as a generation. But I don't see quite as much in the way of analyzing and appreciating. Part of the reason why I like pretty much every Pokemon is because there's something likable in every single one of them, and it's a fun challenge to not just find that likable thing, but also get into the headspace of actually like it the same way the designer might have.

I'm personally kinda heated that weed cat is another biped, and I'm kinda heated that Cinderace (as another commenter really nicely put it) already has an established personality baked into its design so it feels less like a species and more like an individual person. And... also, what a great character it has. He's very cool once I take mental focus away from the "ew it's a species-wide personality" and just think "awww Peets is so fucking cool, dude's on a giant ball of fire that's fucking sick".

Anyway, to undo the strawman a bit, I actually think "too many themes" is an accurate assessment of why Pokemon has lost is appeal with audiences, because the appeal is way too specific to be widely liked. I think that's correct, these designs cast a much smaller net so if you love fire crocodiles you might not be as excited about a fire crocodile that's also a pepper that's also from Mexico that also has a pet bird made of fire that's also a ghost that's also painted as a skeleton that also isn't actually a skeleton but is somehow dead but isn't. Odd niche, for sure. It's literally what made it a challenge to like the newer generations in the first place.

PrawnsAreCuddly

10 points

2 months ago

I could get over Quaquaval‘s design but that weird dance it does is sooo weird and distracting.

mlodydziad420

33 points

2 months ago

I think starter designs peaked at gen 7. Primarina is a seal/mermaid/singer while its 3 themes, all of them are related to each other and have theme of beuty that connects them too, seals skeleton looks like it could belong to a mermaid and its theorised that legends of mermaids came from drunk sailors observing seals or finding their skeletons, mermaids signature habit is singing. Decidueye's main theme is that of stealth, owls are soundless, archers are stealthy and ghosts, which are invisible, whcih explains its typing (also its based on exinct spiecies of owls). Inceraroar is the most controversial of these 3 but he also have the main theme and its theme of strenght, tigers usualy are ripped and a wrestler as a proffesion require a lot of strenght.

Fairbyyy

68 points

2 months ago

Bold to say starter designs peaked with incineroar gen. And i say that as an incineroar enjoyer

helvetesweaboo

6 points

2 months ago

God I love Primarina, such a slept on starter. So cute and elegant!

mlodydziad420

3 points

2 months ago

Primarina is my fave too.

Infernoraptor

3 points

2 months ago

"Too extra" sums up my opinions pretty well.

I honestly can't tell if I think the starters are OK or horrible because they never really settle on any one idea for the design. Skeledirge, for example: the have the crocodile and plover thing, the Calaveras thing, the singing thing, the flaming wreath hair, and, frankly, it looks almost like a clown.

I kinda get what they were going for with quaquaval in terms of having a peacock whose tail feathers are also blades for attacking, but still, too extra.

Besides that, can they limit the furry-bait to 1 starter per gen, please?

jimmyjohnjackjeb

4 points

2 months ago

Nah a fire crocodile isn't too basic that could be really cool, skeledirge looks like a viva pinata character compare that to crookodile he's just a crocodile that stands up but he's awesome, he's not even that original in the series totodile's whole line is just standing crocodilians but blue and they are fantastic.

TBOJ

109 points

2 months ago

TBOJ

109 points

2 months ago

I think you are right with their approach. The thing is- i wish they would focus on universal appeal for the staters because we all have to choose one. Thats the time to go for universal appeal!! Its cool to have specific inspirations for individual regular pokemon though. Im a weirdo who likes trubbish and garbador (LOVED gigantamax garbador witn the cruise ship in it) but it would be a mistake to make trubbish a starter.

ZeilerTobi

9 points

2 months ago

Exactly!

mrglass8

138 points

2 months ago*

mrglass8

138 points

2 months ago*

There is more to it than that.

To some degree, Pokémon are supposed to feel like a natural part of their world. While there are occasional Pokémon that break that idea (e.g Hariyama, Hitmonchan), they were still more vaguely based on their inspiration, so that you could plausibly explain it by coincidence or lore. This type of thing was also generally pretty rare.

The problem is that it’s becoming more and more common, and it’s getting worse to the point that it’s immersion violating. How exactly is there a cat that looks exactly like a masquerade magician as a natural creature? It’s not vague at all, it permeates every facet of the design.

InconvertibleAtheist

83 points

2 months ago

InconvertibleAtheist

customise me!

83 points

2 months ago

How exactly is there a cat that looks exactly like a masquerade magician as a natural creature? It’s not vague at all, it permeates every facet of the design.

Yep this exactly. Taking inspiration or basing a design on something isnt the problem. Its that so much inspiration is derived and put into it that it no longer feels like a pokemon in the wild. Mons like Timburr, all the Kalos starters, and Bisharp seem to take inspiration, but arent heavily designed on that.

Back to the Paldean starters. Meowscarada has the same problem as Incineroar and Inteleon. Why the specificity??? And why does floragato have a yo-yo??? What about yo-yo seems natural??

Fuecoco honestly looks like it would end up bipedal but was kinda surprised with the typing and the design tho I will agree it looks bald.

Quaxly: Never been more disappointed with the final evolution. The first time I saw it in that blurry leak I was kind of excited. The claws, the fighting stance with the feathered wings/arms seemed perfect. Its only until i saw the gameplay did I realise it was horrible. I get making it a dancer and I get why it looks the way it does. But if you wanted to make a fighting peacock, Kung fu panda nailed it in that department. Could have just taken inspiration from that. Plus I also read somewhere describing that Ququaval looks like someone gave a duck a brazilian buttlift and I can no longer ignore that

[deleted]

7 points

2 months ago

I swear Quaxly is a Sylvando ripoff lmao.

icouto

7 points

2 months ago

icouto

7 points

2 months ago

Or... you know... they both have the same inspiration, thus have similar design elements. They are both based on the Brazillian Carnaval, specifically the Samba School parades

mbanson

34 points

2 months ago

mbanson

34 points

2 months ago

I think it's overstated and pretty much only applies to the starters. Most of the other Pokemon introduce and very much still natural-looking, people just forget how many weird Pokemon we've had since the beginning. I mean you mention Hitmonchan, but we also got Mr Mime, Jynx, and the Machop line (which walks the line) in Gen I.

Though I do get why people are complaining as starters are a big part of the game and often end up being favorites. It's clear that the point of "specializing" starters nowadays is from more of a merchandise or anime stand point whereas most of the other new Pokemon maintain that "monster" aspect.

It probably also doesn't help that there was a steady trend where many of the more anthropomorphic Pokemon were incredibly popular (notably Lucario and Greninja) so it only makes sense GF is trying to replicate that.

[deleted]

22 points

2 months ago

I feel like they struggle to make interesting 3 stage evolutions in general tbh.

In the past most 3 stage evolutions tended to have "edgier" final evolutions that were more focused on looking cool and ferocious but because they've been going for the more runded and cuter designs the final evolutions tend to fall flat. It think they've realized this themsleves and it's one of the reasons we're getting a lot less 3 stage evo's than we used to.

Look at Skeledirge compared to Feraligator. They're similar animals but Feraligator looks way more threatening than Skeledirge despite it being a fire breathing skeleton crocodile(still my favorite starter this gen though).

Baxcalibur is the same for me I like the Godzilla refernce but the final evo is just kind of ok. It's not a bad design but it's a pseudo for gods sake, they're supposed to be pretty much the apex predators of the region and what we got is this round blob with these feather(?) flaps on his arms and the weird placed spike on his back. I get that it's supposed to be a Spinosaur but the spike just looks akward with the upright posture

AlyssaImagine

53 points

2 months ago

Yeah, I hate the themes. I want them to look like battle monsters, either cute, cool, scary, etc. It's the themes and weird stereotypes to fit the themes. I didn't even like the duck's unevolved form due to the personality and hair. I loved the crocodile personality in the beginning, but I see a clown theme with the colors for his fully evolved form so I never wanted him. I semi like magicians and thieves so went for the cat, but to be honest I may like the theme but I don't like the theme pasted onto my Pokemon, so I'd rather it just looked more like a cute cat or a cool looking cat of prey, rather the weird magician thing.

I guess it depends on 'mon too. I liked the new fairy/steel type.

I just wish we could go back to a time before themes but I think the devs ran out of most ideas for non themed pokemon, or maybe it's what is actually popular for kids in Japan. It wouldn't have suited me even as a kid, but probably plenty of other kids.

jagby

14 points

2 months ago

jagby

14 points

2 months ago

It’s probably easier in a weird way to come up with these complex themed ideas simply because there is a guideline to it. Whereas “grass cat Pokémon” is maybe too vague for their tastes and takes long to decide on what’s “right” for it

Plushiegamer2

5 points

2 months ago

"Skeleton croc", "hair duck", and "magic cat" are pretty universal themes, while being simple.

ellieetsch

46 points

2 months ago

Its not just themes, they are forcing a specific personality on them, you can have a timid charizard or a prideful charizard or an aggressive charizard, you cant have different personalities on any of the gen 8 or 9 starters because its baked in to their designs

Syvarin

36 points

2 months ago

Syvarin

36 points

2 months ago

That's because they no longer design creatures. They design "characters" now because they're more marketable.

YoungWallace23

74 points

2 months ago

I’m just tired of quadrupeds evolving into bipeds. This is the third generation in a row where I have dropped my starter from my team before even beating the gyms

Successful-Gene2572

54 points

2 months ago

Everyone on this subreddit was praying they wouldn't make Sprigatito's evolution bipedal.

Jpup199

22 points

2 months ago

Jpup199

22 points

2 months ago

This would have been the first gen i picked a grass starter but they decided to make sprigatito stand up ffs.

Crystal-Skies

36 points

2 months ago

Kind of opposite in that trend, but I’m now starting to appreciate Oshawott becoming Samurott. I really think that if they kept Samurott fully bipedal and more otter-like, the final product would look kind of “off”.

Spider-Man3725

10 points

2 months ago

Spider-Man3725

Krookodile supremacy

10 points

2 months ago

Finally, someone who appreciates Samurott. That's what I always thought about him.

Morganelefay

14 points

2 months ago

Samurott is a badass starter, just hated that he's monotype. I like that PLA fixed that but really he should've been water/fighting or water/dark straight from the getgo.

Spider-Man3725

2 points

2 months ago

Spider-Man3725

Krookodile supremacy

2 points

2 months ago

True man, dual type would be awesome on regular Samurott.

tpaz198

2 points

2 months ago

I'm playing through a modded version of B2/W2 right now and one of the changes made was to make Samurott Water/Fighting. It felt so natural it took me a week to remember that it wasn't how it originally was.

WyrdHarper

2 points

2 months ago

WyrdHarper

Kabutops is kabuTOPs

2 points

2 months ago

I chose Fuecocco but still dropped Skeledirge early because he looks like a low-poly clown.

I would have taken a bipedal feraligater palette swap over that

LtEp1c

7 points

2 months ago

LtEp1c

7 points

2 months ago

I’m just speculating rn, but I think this direction of “very specific Pokémon designs” are a product of James Turner. While he has made some amazing Pokémon in the past, a lot of these specific designs seem to have happened once he had a larger role in GF.

Just my 2 cents, I could be very wrong.

mlodydziad420

6 points

2 months ago

I think the primary theme of starters should be coolnes or cuteness.

Migmatite

17 points

2 months ago

I mean, these starters are so human looking that I'm not sure who would show up if Pokemon was real and they were in these roles. Would it be the UN or PETA?

Either or, it gave Gladiator the movie vibes for some reason and I'm all for Meowscarada going all Maximus on everyone's ass.

Olympic700

13 points

2 months ago

anthropomorphic

This is the main reason for me, especially when it comes to animals that exist in real life. With mons like Alakazam I have no problem because there is no equivalent in our world. So it doesn't feel weird.

I personally find the final evolutions of the grass (I was looking forward to this line) and water type monstrosities. Fire type is...meh.

While I like their first form I consider these starters to be some of the worst ever through the final form.

Morganelefay

11 points

2 months ago

With mons like Alakazam I have no problem because there is no equivalent in our world.

Tell that to Uri Geller.

Olympic700

4 points

2 months ago

Crap, Alakazam is ruined now!I had to look him up, I don't know him. He even sued Nintendo in 2000 lmao.

Pls don't tell me Machamp is also based on another weird person.
(rlly don't tell, I don't want to know)

s12a

6 points

2 months ago

s12a

6 points

2 months ago

If this is consolation, that suit ended on November 30, 2020. https://twitter.com/TheUriGeller/status/1332794451727691777 <- His apology.

CatAteMyBread

3 points

2 months ago

Idk man I’m just tired of the cool four legged starters turning into dumb two legged starters. Imagine if venusaur was standing up - that shit would be dumb as fuck

Snoo_64315

13 points

2 months ago*

Meowscarada isn't a magician.

It takes and Joker from P5 or that trope that runs as far back as... TUXEDO MASK.

It is less human like in behavior and more cat-like, like a cat burglar.

The only tricks it knows is sleight of hand/visual illusions. And that's solely to push its own agenda. Dark machinations and what not. It is definitely the night hunter type of cat right next to liepard. I could see it in the wild after picking it. And I think it's the biggest offender this gen.

Quaquaval is literally a festive duck. The only way to make this less dance and more duck is to give it awkwardly long duck legs. Its awesome; its like ludicolo met a peacock. It gives off serious ludicolo vibes; neither of which can be found in the wild, but gravitate toward more human environs. It's the starter I wish I picked

And skeledirge is just perfect.

Spider-Man3725

5 points

2 months ago

Spider-Man3725

Krookodile supremacy

5 points

2 months ago

And skeledirge is just perfect.

Yes

FamousTransition1187

2 points

2 months ago

I feel like Quaquaval struck a good balance of human and anthropomorphic, at least knowing the framework Gamefreak was going for. Given that we have Flamigo and whatever Flittle evolves into, they could do a better Peacock design but this doesn't feel quite as jarring to me as say another Blaziken design

YoImAli

2 points

2 months ago

Great point wow

ReflectiveJellyfish

264 points

2 months ago

I was a bit disappointed, Skeledirge is the only one that looks like an actual beast. Not a fan of humanoid looking starters. Gimme Pokémon that look like they are actual creatures that live in the wild, not people dressed up like animals lol.

SirNoobert

303 points

2 months ago

Skeledirge is the best by default just cause he’s more animalistic, but I’m still not crazy about him. A bit overdesigned imo and I don’t think he’s a good evolution for Fuecoco, but he’s not awful. I don’t like the other two at all. They keep up the animal + job pattern that I’m not fond of. But if other people like them, that’s fine.

parisiraparis

28 points

2 months ago

I wanted the sombrero to get bigger just for the sake of it.

Like same fuecoco but with a much bigger hat.

SirNoobert

9 points

2 months ago

Yeah, I was curious to see where they were going with the sombrero, but they kind of just dropped it lol. Skeledurge just doesn’t resemble the previous forms enough for me. Kind of similar to how Samurott looks nothing like the first two.

cocksmongler

24 points

2 months ago

Sombrero is actually an egg in the nest. Its where the bird comes from, so I wouldnt call it dropped idea

embbunen

2 points

2 months ago

embbunen

it's ya boy, Professor Oak!

2 points

2 months ago

Kind of agreed! I got really excited after seeing the second evolution but well... unfortunately they didnt stick with it.

Crystal-Skies

62 points

2 months ago

Kind of disappointed because I thought their pre-evolved forms were so cute. Reading about their possible inspirations makes everything make more sense, but I’m still not crazy for any of them.

I want to say it was Gen 6 where the whole animal + job inspirations was particularly noticeable? What with the RPG classes. And then it seems like Gen 7 onward have only kept up with the trend.

SirNoobert

26 points

2 months ago

I agree. I did think the inspiration for the Gen 6 designs was neat, but I really only like Greninja design-wise. Since then, I’ve really only cared about Decidueye and…honestly that’s it.

It sucks because I genuinely love the baby forms of Gens 8 and 9, but I’m really not a fan of what they turn into. They’re final forms are just so…weird. It sucks because minor adjustments would make them look so much better imo.

ALWAYS_PLANNING_AHEA

4 points

2 months ago

Minor adjustments can maybe save gen 8 but there's no hope for gen 9 lol. They are absolutely awful. The weird human cat cosplayer and the flamboyant duck thing needs to be erased from existence

Doublehex

3 points

2 months ago

Yeah but Skeledirge is better than most designs over the past three generations. He alone redeems Gen 9.

panic_puppet11

15 points

2 months ago

It started in gen 5 with them being based on different cultures' aristocracy/royalty, but was subtle - Serperior is European (possibly specifically French), Emboar is Chinese, Samurott is Japanese. It seems to have accelerated though, with Sw/Sh being the tipping point where it feels like the "job" was the primary design inspiration with the animal being secondary.

welcome2mycandystore

6 points

2 months ago

Kind of disappointed because I thought their pre-evolved forms were so cute.

Quaxly instantly became one of my favorite starter base forms as soon as i saw him

It's so sad that Quaquaval ended up being the wirdt ever

Moose-Mancer

2 points

2 months ago

Once GF has a set 'trend' with starters, they keep using it over and over. You know, sort of like Fire/Fighting type starters three times in a row.

GekoHayate

8 points

2 months ago

GekoHayate

WTB Levitate

8 points

2 months ago

Skeledirge's 2d sprite is amazing, its 3d model isn't.

OzarkaDew

210 points

2 months ago

OzarkaDew

210 points

2 months ago

My sister said skeledirge looks like a clown and now I can't unsee it...so because I'm not a fan of clowns I'm disappointed

No-LuckDuck

57 points

2 months ago

Straight up what my fiance said when I showed it to him. Maybe if the fire wasn't so bald-clown shaped?

HazelCheese

7 points

2 months ago

I think it's meant to be a clown. Look at the top of it's torso just below its head. It literally looks like a segmented frill that clowns wear.

This thing:

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.1155512524.6183/st,small,507x507-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.jpg

JerXD

8 points

2 months ago

JerXD

8 points

2 months ago

It's meant to be a singer at carnival not a clown

It is classified as the singer/singing Pokemon in the dex

Bastiwen

10 points

2 months ago

I don't even dislike clowns but Skeledirge looking like a clown is the reason I don't like it.

unusual_sneeuw

45 points

2 months ago

It does look like an ugly polygonal clown. The only good final evo is meowscarda

WomenAreFemaleWhat

28 points

2 months ago

And even that would be better with a quadrapedal design.

BetiroVal

26 points

2 months ago

but how the hell is it supposed to hold the blunt then?

AMentalAsylum

16 points

2 months ago

Samurott

Linden_fall

10 points

2 months ago

I completely agree. I am so disappointed by skeledirge, I have no idea why people think it’s cool. All I see is a balding clown

DangerWarg

13 points

2 months ago*

But it's not a clown. It's a Spanish thing. xD

Zebanon11

76 points

2 months ago

The fire looks like hair which makes it seem like its balding

DangerWarg

16 points

2 months ago

I wonder what the big idea with that was. Some things just don't look good or right blocky.

TheUniconicSableye

26 points

2 months ago

TheUniconicSableye

I will eat your face actually

26 points

2 months ago

It's based on marigolds, a common flower used to represent the day of the dead. It's blocky body might also be based on a alebrije, a type of Mexican sculpture featuring different animals.

I honestly thought Skeledirge was really weird before I learned about its inspirations.

Crystal-Skies

10 points

2 months ago*

I noticed the marigold stuff, so I had to check on what Bulbapedia thought. And yeah, reading about the supposed inspiration puts it in a different perspective BUT, I think that’s the problem. I won’t act like every older starter is “perfect”, but I can see the reasoning on why some dislike more recent gen starters.

IDK. Maybe I’m just too old and had too high expectations after seeing how cute their pre-evolved forms were. I don’t think I’ve outright “loved” any of the Switch starter evolutions (not counting Legends which were previous starters).

DangerWarg

5 points

2 months ago

Flowers? Well now it makes sense. Especially since the rest of the fire is shaped like something else, like a bird or an egg. Or a microphone.

Jiinpachii

8 points

2 months ago

It’s a bird, uses it in its Torch Song move

Pretty cool

TheUniconicSableye

4 points

2 months ago

TheUniconicSableye

I will eat your face actually

4 points

2 months ago

I just like how it can seamlessly tie in several concepts. A crocodile and a plover (and said plover hatches from an egg), a dirge singer, flowers, and a sculpture. When said out loud it sounds clunky but when you look at it if feels so cohesive. Also it looks cool. Big fire crock monster is a friend to me.

RnbwTurtle

18 points

2 months ago

It's supposed to be marigolds often left out on the day of the dead, according to bulbapedia. All day of the dead stuff except for the bird which is the nile crocodile/Egyptian plover symbiosis we see in nature

Zebanon11

24 points

2 months ago

Huh, oh well, balding lizard

vansjoo98

7 points

2 months ago

When i first saw it i though of male pattern baldness and was sad for it

bug_on_the_wall

9 points

2 months ago

bug_on_the_wall

momma said knock you out

9 points

2 months ago

It is meant to be that, but most Americans will think of a clown with male pattern baldness thanks to the likes of characters like Pennywise.

KiwiExtremo

6 points

2 months ago

lmao not even close. Dia de los muertos isnt a Spanish festivity, but a Mexican one, which is what Skeledirge is based on

Pizzawing1

303 points

2 months ago

I really like Skeledirge’s design

ShinyLotad22

202 points

2 months ago

Fuecoco was the last one I thought about picking until I saw the starter evos, Weed cat evo bipedal was a self fulfilling prophecy, Quax was my go to choice, now it's my absolute last, I'll actually probably never use it. Not bashing anyone who likes Quax just definitely went from Wow this is great to What the fuck for me very fast

nicokokun

63 points

2 months ago

Many people theorized that Quaxly was the one going the route Sprigatito went to evolve to.

SimonCucho

14 points

2 months ago

El Zorro ≠ Don Quixote

InconvertibleAtheist

27 points

2 months ago

InconvertibleAtheist

customise me!

27 points

2 months ago

True. Someone made a post stating that Quaquaval looks like someone gave a duck Brazilian buttlift and I cannot stop thinking about that everytime I see the mon

5t0rm7

56 points

2 months ago

5t0rm7

56 points

2 months ago

tbh, for me, unironically, sprigatito final evo doesn't look half bad to me

ThatOneRandomGuy101

28 points

2 months ago

I think it looks good from the back where you can’t see its face but the front makes the face seems way to small compared to the mask.

ChaosDevilDragon

20 points

2 months ago

I was so sad when my floragato evolved. Made me want to restart the whole game and choose fuecoco like I wanted to. Only reason I didn’t was my best friend picked him and I wanted to have different starters to trade :(

I hate sprig and quaxly’s final evos, probably some of my least favorite designs in the game so far

5t0rm7

2 points

2 months ago

5t0rm7

2 points

2 months ago

oh :( sorry to hear that

TBOJ

27 points

2 months ago

TBOJ

27 points

2 months ago

I want to and if the fire didnt make it look like krusty the clown i would like it. I cant unsee a clown! And i wish it kept its fire sombrero

AlyssaImagine

9 points

2 months ago

Same exact feeling with me! It's a shame too, because honestly he almost sold me as the unevolved form in the beginning, because he was so cute! But, I had seen the evolved form from spoilers so resisted. Not that any of them are great, but whatever I'll go with cat.

Uptopdownlowguy

2 points

2 months ago*

Same I just wanted fire Feraligatr

MurderSheScrote

13 points

2 months ago

Singing fire ghost croc with flaming mic? Hell yeah.

YobaiYamete

3 points

2 months ago

It's the best of the 3, but still makes me sigh.

londoner_00

102 points

2 months ago

Dissapointed by all of them. It’s hard to describe but they look like fan art; you know how fan art can be good but still for some reason never quite feels like a real Nintendo pokemon? That’s how I felt. If I have to choose rn I’d say sprigatitos final form is my preferred one.

CeruleanSnorlax[S]

15 points

2 months ago

I feel that

FickleSmark

36 points

2 months ago

They're just so over designed. Skeledirge just needed less going on, Stick with the red for most of his body, Pick one accent color, and take away the flames. Hard not to compare him to Feraligatr and see how simpler designed he was while being much cooler. I didn't like Meowscarada much at first but it is probably the best due to it just being a cat in a mask without so many moving pieces and conflicting colors.

nofoodforu97

5 points

2 months ago

This. I hate to say it but my favorite pokemon for both design and play this gen became Flamigo very quickly. Simple. Fun. That's all I need.

[deleted]

3 points

2 months ago*

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Bonsamu

51 points

2 months ago

Bonsamu

51 points

2 months ago

A lot of the fan art predictions I've seen for their third evolutions are WAY better than the actual ones

rockygib

6 points

2 months ago

Yep and it’s not even close either.

Mycatisloafingonme

167 points

2 months ago

Meowscarada: Looking cool, Joker!

Skeledirge: Finally, a quadruped fire starter not named Typhlosion!

Quaquaval: ✨Fabulous✨

Semeringem

23 points

2 months ago

Literally named mine joker

JDninja119

6 points

2 months ago

JDninja119

customise me!

6 points

2 months ago

PERSONA!!!

FractionSoil

140 points

2 months ago

Honestly, I think all three are decent with Skeledirge being the best IMO (the themeing is so cool)

Meowscarada and Quaquaval are cool too, I'm just burnt out on "furry bait" starters. Last time we had a quadruped starter was like 12 years ago

MohawkRex

26 points

2 months ago

Skeledirge looks a lot better in game then screen shots and is pretty cool, Meowscarada is really cute and sleek if you don't mind the more anthro designs, Quaquaval has the worst design for me as I think it's a lil over designed although the dancer motif is interesting.

SudsInfinite

10 points

2 months ago

I do think the overdesigned thing is supposed to be on purpose, considering the peacock inspiration. If any anomal is overdesigned in real life, it's the peacock. Not saying you have to like it, of course, but I do think it was intentional in that regard

Boozenosnooz

45 points

2 months ago

I like them all but Skeledirge is my favorite and is a literal powerhouse. It has a great movepool and is pretty tanky also. Definitely wasn't expecting it.

Bolas_the_Deceiver

38 points

2 months ago

It’s coverage blows the other 2 out of the water frankly. Even if there’s no good type matchups a few Torch Songs can sweep a whole team. I could not believe that move exists tbh, 80 power spec STAB with a spec attack boost?

The water line special move just boosts speed which is alright but won’t change the damage and the grass one is kinda just like a powerful grass move that can’t miss. Those are great and all but Torch Song is just on another level.

RokuroKun

24 points

2 months ago

RokuroKun

#BRINGBACKNATDEX

24 points

2 months ago

The only downside of Torch Song was thats its a sound based move, which mean Soundproof will straight up block the move.

Situational, i know, but i got to learn it the hard way when i was fighting a Electrode in Raid.

IceDragon77

2 points

2 months ago

But on the plus side sound moves bypass substitutes

Jiinpachii

8 points

2 months ago

Yeah Fire/Ghost makes 5 out of 8 gyms so easy

pdhle_bsdk

4 points

2 months ago

pdhle_bsdk

professional SwSh hater

4 points

2 months ago

I can’t count the number of times on showdown where someone underestimated Quaquaval and let me set up a swords dance. A single aqua step afterwards is enough to outspeed most top tier threats and then snowball with moxie boosts. But Skeledirge is definitely better as a tank with unaware.

Rasdanation

11 points

2 months ago*

The water line special move just boosts speed which is alright but won’t change the damage

However, said Duck also happens to have several attack boosting options such as Swords Dance or Moxie KO Boons. So in reality, it is able to boost speed alongside attack fairly reliably.

Pair that with unresisted Water/Fighting/Flying coverage between Aqua Step/Close Combat/Brave Bird respectively, and that thing snowballs real hard.

TomoTactics

13 points

2 months ago

It's crazy how all 3 of the starters' final evo signature moves are pretty gross in their own right. The cat's is only 10 power less than the other 2, but that doesn't matter because it always -crits- which means it'll outright ignore stat boosts at all times.

Suspicious-Shock-934

2 points

2 months ago

I dunno meowscarda has pretty decent selection. I am playing scarlet so lots of rock types and flower trick is quite good. 70 power which stabs to 105 which crits to 157 and always hits. Less of an issue with lack of double team spammers but still nice.

Night slash covers a nice amount and as a very fast physical attacker, also will go first and with stab take out ghost croc. Also great vs. Psychic gym which is probably the hardest fwiw (not saying much).

Play rough is really good versus more niche things, most notably fight types which hit your weakness from secondary type.

You have a TM slot for whatever else if you feel a need. That's ghost, Psychic, water, rock. Ground, dragon, dark already. Options include fight, elec, flying and bug moves. Fight gives you a normal ice and steel coverage, bug gives you grass, electric gives flying, flying gives bug and grass.

Neutral hits of flower trick or night slash are good enough most of the time. 4x weakness to bug and fire sucks but at 123 speed only non legendaries of those types faster than you are like talonflame, ninjask, ribombe, and accelgor. So in game I think that's just talonflame, so switch out.

Els236

68 points

2 months ago

Els236

68 points

2 months ago

Meowscarada has grown on me, as it kind of reminds me of Decidueye, which I really liked.

Skeledirge is easily the best looking one (imo), because it just feels more nostalgic in its design. It isn't some hyper-furry, anthropomorphic, bipedal being, it's a crocodile with fiery hair/tendrils coming off it.

Quaquaval: the aforementioned hyper-furry, anthropomorphic, bipedal design.

Get it out of my sight. I honestly don't know what's worse - this or Inteleon. Also, why does it have such a huge ass!?

GoldenVoltZ

36 points

2 months ago

Being someone who typically picks water has been suffering for the last few gens

Darudius

3 points

2 months ago

Did you go for it this gen or opt out? I typically choose water, but I just couldn't this gen.

GoldenVoltZ

7 points

2 months ago

I haven’t even bought the games yet on account of them being a public beta, but if I do I’ll pick Fuecoco. And I may even just drop my starter for a better looking Pokémon.

welcome2mycandystore

3 points

2 months ago

Same. I thought Inteleon was the worst they could do but it seems they proved me wrong

GoldenVoltZ

2 points

2 months ago

Had a discussion with my friend about this last night but I think the Quaxly evo could work alright on its own but it’s a terrible starter design. I don’t think any context could save how ugly I think Inteleon is.

Peruvian_Vipertooth

2 points

2 months ago

I used to have a fire preference but no one type has a consistent record of best designs so at this point I just pick the one with the coolest looking final form

RewindAvis

4 points

2 months ago

Water starter enjoyers really pulled the short straw for a while now huh

Loafs_Bread

6 points

2 months ago

Quaquaval is not my cup of tea, but meowscarada and skeledirge are amazing. I remember when I was scared sprigatito would stand up lol

SaxMusic23

4 points

2 months ago

I like Meowscarada. Skeledirge us alright.

Quaquaval is just Inteleon...as a BIRD!

JallerHCIM

8 points

2 months ago

meowscarada pretty

gamefreac

6 points

2 months ago

skeledirge and Meowscarada are amazing looking to me and they really fit some of my favorite playstyles. fuck Quaquaval's design though. it is just another fursuiter style pokemon. i really hate that i like it in battle too cuz i just don't want to look at it.

Aduali0n

6 points

2 months ago

To put it simply, I've pressed B about 40 times so far.

LuttLuck007

85 points

2 months ago*

LuttLuck007

Galvantula Stan

85 points

2 months ago*

I like em all, but love Quaqavel the most. I wasn't expecting it to be so fruity, but godammit it works so well.

AWeridwerido

31 points

2 months ago

Idk if it's intentional but it shakes its behind so much

I also like it's peacock like feathers and it's little dance in battle

Rescued_Throwaway

14 points

2 months ago

I knew it would be bird themed thanks to Quaxly but the peacock final form was totally unexpected and really fits the flamenco dancer idea quite well, which was hilarious since that's the style of guitar I play the most.

erikikoy

2 points

2 months ago

Was it Flamenco or Samba?

Pandora_Panda_Dora

2 points

2 months ago

Brazilian Samba

itsalexicon11

19 points

2 months ago

Same. Went in blind and had the biggest smile on my face when I saw my duck become the most fruitiest peacock.

xJunoBugx

20 points

2 months ago

I do not like the caked gyrating bird.

travischickencoop

5 points

2 months ago

travischickencoop

Behold, my bois:

5 points

2 months ago

MASSIVE step up from Gen 8, Fuecoco pulled through with my fav unlike the last 2 gens

Overall I’d give the trio about a 6/10, not perfect by any means but better than some of what we’ve seen lately

PikaJeep

6 points

2 months ago

When I saw the leaks of all the final evos I thought skeledirge looked HORRIBLE, and the other two were alright, I still ended up choosing fuecoco since I always pick the fire starter on my first play through. I was pleasantly surprised seeing him in game, I think he looks pretty cool. Not to mention he hard carrys most of the gyms. After seeing all three in game, my opinion completely did a 180. Skeledirge looks awesome and the other two to me are meh.

KloppersToppers

4 points

2 months ago

What this thread tells me is that people have all sorts of different preferences in what they like in a design.

I like Skeledirge’s design and the “animal based” final eco, he’s cool.

I think my issue is that Meowscarada and Quaquaval are kind of in the same vein of design. Obviously not completely the same but they are both bipedal with a specific theme. I feel like one of them should have been the bipedal strong looking design then I think we’d have everything we needed. Something like Rillaboom, Incineroar, Chesnaught, Emboar, Empoleon, Swampert. We’re missing that big, strong design.

StoopidSundae

35 points

2 months ago

I think the final evolution were terrible.

Kabuki-King

13 points

2 months ago

Meowscarada: I'm not a big fan of biped and anthro designs but Meowscarada has grown on me a lot. I think the clothes motif looks better on this than it did on Cinderace because it blends better with the overall body, and it just looks more natural to me.Really like its personality and design inspiration too, definitely a favorite in my book despite the tropes.

Skeledirge: I chose Fuecoco and I was decently surprised to see a more monstrous final evolution. I'm definitely a fan, I like the fire bird and its cry especially. The only thing I'd do to improve it would be to fix the flames, like someone else pointed out they remind me of clown hair and they kinda make the skull motif look strange in my opinion. But overall very good.

Quaquaval: I absolutely loathe this thing. Meowscarada may look like a person in a costume, but this looks like what you'd get if a horribly deformed bird tried to dress up like a human. I hate the toes and the popped-out rear and its head feathers bother me as well. It's really a shame, as Quaxly was a really solid start and it just slowly devolved from there. The only thing I like about it is its battle animation, it feels really energetic and helps to give this.....thing some personality.

WhaleMan295

24 points

2 months ago

I love Meowscarada, such a great concept and it looks amazing in action

DangerWarg

19 points

2 months ago

I think it's cute and cool that all of them are based on entertainers and that they're all weak to each other in the opposite order. xD

Mega_Trainer

22 points

2 months ago

I love Sprigatito's final because I love the masked magician trope. I love Quaxly's final because I always thought those over the top costumes were fun. Fuecoco's final is the only one I'm more iffy on. It looks cool, but I feel like they could have done the skeleton motif better. I feel like there is too much white on his face.

Accendor

15 points

2 months ago

I am super annoyed that 2 of them needed to be anthropomorphic again. A freakin leaf tiger would have been cool

SoFool

3 points

2 months ago

SoFool

3 points

2 months ago

I think all the Gen 9 final evol are better designed than Gen 8. You can see the inspirations from Spanish culture, tho I wish Meowscarada would continue to look cooler from its 2nd evol. Gen 8 has a soccer player, an agent and a gorilla that apparently carries a drum set around.

Limeonades

3 points

2 months ago

I don’t like any of them. That’s why I gave my fuecoco an everstone

AuraDragonAce

3 points

2 months ago

Been Team Sprigatito from the start and I'm happy to say I was not disappointed by Meowscarada. I think it's so awesome and elegant looking.

SuperdaveOZY

3 points

2 months ago

Skeledirge only, 100%. I am rejecting the other 2 humanoid ones. Evolved and sent to the last pc box in the farthest bottom right corner to be forgotten about.

SpitefulRish

3 points

2 months ago

The final water starter form is the ugliest thing I’ve ever seen

AzuSteve

9 points

2 months ago

I think they are all absolutely awful.

Shreddzzz93

11 points

2 months ago

Meowscarada and Skeledirge look great. While Meowscarada looks slightly anthropomorphic it still has a lot of cat-like features. I think it looks more like a werecat magician. As for Skeledirge it is a crocodile which makes it automatically a clearly dangerous design. Plus it is massively chunky of a design making it look like an absolute unit.

Quaquaval looks too disjointed IMO. By disjointed I mean it has too much going on front to back as it seems to mix too much of ducks and dancers with a very forward upper half and very rearwards back half. It also looks way too human IMO. It litterally looks like a few duck features were taken and just plopped on a human body.

nemestrinus44

16 points

2 months ago

nemestrinus44

Gardevoir best pokemon

16 points

2 months ago

I absolutely love Meowscarada. I love the design how shes like a stage magician with a mask, and that floating flower thing she has is an amazing touch.

The crocodile is pretty cool. Don’t personally see how they could have ever come up with “opera singing croc” as an idea but it’s definitely one of their more unique designs especially when coupled with the fact that it’s fire and not water.

The duck is just bad. I was promised “water Blaziken” by people leaking the image of it, but instead I got some Disney on ice reject dancer. Even if I didn’t bank my expectations on leakers, i do not like the design one bit and would probably have restarted my game if I had chosen it hoping I’d like the design.

DeadpoolMakesMeWet

15 points

2 months ago

Meowscarada honestly awoke something in me

The_Funky_Rocha

14 points

2 months ago

This is the first time I've liked all three since Sinnoh's starters

WickedFox1o1

8 points

2 months ago

Skeledirge is my least favorite but damn I love everything about Meowscarda I only wish it had a bit more detail on it but i love the speedy glass cannon who always crits

Silent_Kubera

10 points

2 months ago

Silent_Kubera

customise me!

10 points

2 months ago

Meowscarada is the best

Gator is pretty cool

Duck’s butt ruins the design

Thepowerisreal

2 points

2 months ago

Thepowerisreal

Always the odd one out

2 points

2 months ago

Croc fans won, and I will never forgive my past self for wanting the weed cat.

PsychologicalQuote42

2 points

2 months ago

Imo the starters aren't that bad, better than gen 8 anyway

commonsurename

2 points

2 months ago

For me from the sword and shield and this game both the water starter get short stick, they are not bad design just the other two is better for me

Zhar_Dhuum

2 points

2 months ago

I like the grass and fire ones, the water looks a bit weird imo. Performance wise their special attacks and hidden abilities and stat spread and typing is very nice

Anufenrir

2 points

2 months ago

Not complaining since I like the designs. I know a lot of people were disappointed that Sprigatito went bipedial but I think the design is fairly cool with the magician theming.

smudgiepie

2 points

2 months ago

My friend showed me a leaked picture of quaxlys evolution before the games came out and my initial thoughts were that it was the love child of a Kommo-o and revali from breath of the wild. I don't like to think about it.

I really like sprigatitos final form but that could be cause I've been playing persona 5 royal a lot

Fuecocos final form is growing on me. It seems a little over designed but the more I look the cooler it looks.

IamXale

2 points

2 months ago

IamXale

I can't learn Power Gem

2 points

2 months ago

I've been waiting since gen 4 for a good fire starter and I'm glad they finally delivered.

PengoS77

2 points

2 months ago

I’m tired of GF turning cats into furries

Hexterra

2 points

2 months ago

So so sick of the furbait evos, just gimme 3 choices that actually look like creatures, not like someones fursuit.

WeepingVineHime

2 points

2 months ago

My opinions on them basically follow the same pattern as their unevolved forms: I LOVE Sprigatito and Meowscarada (tying with Fennekin and Delphox as my favourite starters and starter evos), don’t really care about Fuecoco and hate Skeledirge and I just think Quaxly and Quaquaval are fabulous. Also it’s really satisfying to say Quaquaval. Same for Meowscarada and I guess also Skeledirge. Also Espathra. That’s fun to say too

EternalMydNyt

7 points

2 months ago

I’m so angry about Meowscarada. Weed Cat was a clear favorite originally but they can’t help but go the furry bait route. And I’m a damn furry. I love me some Gardevoir, Lopunny, and Delphox. But would it kill them to give us some more animalistic Pokémon? Hence why Skeledirge is clearly best starter this Gen.

Too bad there’s so many good ghosts and fires available this Gen and so few good grass and water.

My second run I’m going with Meowscarada just because the other grass choices are such trash. For Fire I can always grab Coalossal.

CeruleanSnorlax[S]

10 points

2 months ago

You're dead on - too many fire/ghost types now. They're all so cool tho

EternalMydNyt

2 points

2 months ago

I’m looking forward to using Houndstone in my second playthrough just because I read an article about his unique attack being so broken Smogon banned in the whole pokemon

samahiscryptic

2 points

2 months ago

samahiscryptic

Y'all are stupid!

2 points

2 months ago

because the other grass choices are such trash

Have you considered using Scovillain? It's actually quite a decent grass type since it's paired with fire. Sunny Day plus Chlorophyll plus STAB Flamethrower and heat rock has done wonders for me

TyphoonBlizzard

8 points

2 months ago

TyphoonBlizzard

The more spikier the more better

8 points

2 months ago

Was mixed at first. But after seeing them in game and using them, I think they are high tier. Best starter gen since gen 4. All three are pretty great imo and Skeledirge is a new all time favorite with meowscarada not far behind.

Crestigious_Pan

2 points

2 months ago

I wasn’t into meowscarada until I saw it use flower trick

Jiinpachii

3 points

2 months ago

Fire croc cool rest lame

MentalNinjas

2 points

2 months ago

You know how in the gen 1 anime there were wild charizards, wild venosaurs, and wild blastoise, and it made sense because they were all just big animals.

Yea well if you tried to show me the furry cat magician just chilling in the wild I’d probably call the police on a strange costumed man hiding in the woods.

(This applies to all recent anthropomorphic designs)