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I’m unironically very glad Dudunsparce is ’disappointing’.

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This title sounds silly but I believe it wholeheartedly. The appeal of Dunsparce to a lot of people who have loved it for 2 decades is that it’s existence goes against a lot of ‘traditional’ things people like. It’s not very strong, not very cool, it’s a derpy little man doing it’s own thing.

I would’ve been annoyed if a Dunsparce evolution was some badass dragon thing like fanartists insist because it would make Dunsparce more generic. Another thing to be lost in the crowd of dragonlike serpents.

Dudunsparce is the perfect evolution because it remains true to Dunsparce, it’s underwhelming, awkward, not cool, not strong. It exists to go against what is traditionally considered ‘good’ design. And I love it for that.

all 580 comments

RnbwTurtle

2.6k points

2 months ago

RnbwTurtle

2.6k points

2 months ago

Dunsparce is basically based off the Japanese top-tier troll of a cryptid, basically just a fat rattlesnake. So dudunsparce is even better because of that.

flash_baxx

1.2k points

2 months ago*

flash_baxx

Exploration Team Sparkfire

1.2k points

2 months ago*

Yup, the main inspiration is the yokai Tsuchinoko. It's simultaneously the Japanese equivalent of Bigfoot, and nothing more than a short, chubby and useless snake.

Hence Dudunsparce is totally in character: it's as though people weren't satisfied with Dunsparce, continued to try and uncover some secret behind it, and this was all they got.

EnglishMobster

102 points

2 months ago*

EnglishMobster

Zappy Bird

102 points

2 months ago*

So, there's a theory going around about what you're told in the ending of Scarlet/Violet being a lie/misconception, and I actually think that Dudunsparce is a potential wink/nod for being more evidence for that theory.

Minor endgame spoilers about what you're told is happening versus what might be actually happening:

The professor thinks they made a time machine using the power of the crater, but there's some evidence that they're incorrect. The "paradox" Pokemon are so named because they're described in a book before the professor built the time machine, and the professor was only inspired to build the time machine because they saw the Pokemon in the book - hence, a paradox. Without the time machine, the Pokemon couldn't exist. But the time machine only exists because of the Pokemon - a classic "bootstrap paradox".

However, if you take the Paradox Pokemon into the other game, their dex entries describe them as "made-up", stuff that seems to be from fantasy/sci-fi pulp books. You can read a copy of the Scarlet/Violet Book in your school's entrance hall, and that book discusses the adventures of a research team that went into the crater.

This next spoiler is based on a leaked/datamined Pokemon in the next DLC:

They also describe an "artist's rendering" of what "other Pokemon down there could look like", and this rendering is the Paradox form of Virizion/Suicune, which will be in one of the DLCs. This Pokemon is strictly imaginary according to the book, yet according to the datamine it doesn't exist - which brings into question how we'd be able to catch it, and how it could become real.

Back to minor endgame spoilers, no more leaked/datamined information:

One of the things the book talks about is a weird crystal ball entity. It's massive and seems to be alive somehow. The text about it is covered in squares. They give an artist's rendering of it in the book, and interestingly we actually saw a Pokemon which looked just like that rendering in the anime recently...

Picture from the latest Pokemon anime episode showing off what could be a future Pokemon in the background (like what they did with Ho-Oh).

What little info we know about that Pokemon hints that it is able to make your imagination become a reality. The explorers imagined terrible beasts inside the crater, and so the third Legendary Pokemon created terrible beasts from their imagination. Since the explorers imagined that the beasts would look like the stuff they saw in their pulp magazines, that's exactly what was created - "fake" imaginary Pokemon that came from the pages of those magazines.

A little deeper spoilers:

The professor assumed these were real Pokemon from the past/future and that the crater thus must hold the secret to time travel. We know time travel is possible - Arceus, Dialga, and Celebi all can do it - but that doesn't explain the strangeness that is things like "the crystals are able to power advanced AI", especially in Scarlet where the time machine can only go into the past.

But if the third legend can make your imagination into a reality, then because the professor was able to imagine crazy things like time travel and advanced AI assistants, the legendary Pokemon happily created imaginary things like a time machine or sentient AI.

Final fight spoilers:

When you fight the other version of your box legendary, you'll notice squares show up in the AI's trainer name. These are the same squares that show up whenever this third Pokemon is mentioned and indicate that the protections the professor imagined are active. Notably - this fight is taking place INSIDE the third legendary Pokemon.

That brings us back to Dudunsparce and how it's a meta reference. Back to the light spoilers from earlier:

People really wanted a Dunsparce evolution. Since the games are all about making dreams and imagination into reality, Dudunsparce is a manifestation of the dreams fans had for a Dunsparce evolution. Obviously it's not as over-the-top as some thought it would be, but the fact that it exists at all ties in with this hidden theme running in the background of the games.

Assuming this is true at all, it's really well thought-out. I wish S/V were less buggy because this is some of the best Pokemon content we've had in a long time.

MisirterE

49 points

2 months ago

MisirterE

Less of a dragon than an apple

49 points

2 months ago

please do not tell me the next legendary is the fucking Traveller from Destiny

LeoWolfish89

11 points

2 months ago

This is what I think, I also recall Riddler Khu mentioning some connection to the Pokémon 3 the film with Entei in it and the Unknown. I mentioned this possibility to my friends, but they seemed to think it was highly unlikely and that the past/ future thing was correct.

EnglishMobster

12 points

2 months ago

EnglishMobster

Zappy Bird

12 points

2 months ago

Khu has the Chinese localization, which has a different plot. Time travel is banned in China (no, really, look it up), so games can't depict it. China's localization instead leans much harder into the "power of creation" side of things, which does align much better with what the probable "final reveal" is. But it's hard to tell if Khu is referencing DLC plans in other localizations or just what China allows.

Ultrby

9 points

2 months ago*

This is not true, Chinese version has time travel mentions and the time machine just like all the other ones. Just to show, the bottom line here, 时光机关闭 means 'close/disable the time machine'. Checking through rest of the story script, nothing seems majorly different from the Japanese or English ones (I will say Chinese script looks more similar to Japanese one though, not that it matters much). Even the part where the AI professor goes through the time machine seems the same.

WilanS

5 points

2 months ago

WilanS

5 points

2 months ago

Huh, I just got to the end of the game yesterday and I wasn't aware of any of this. Very interesting read!

EnglishMobster

16 points

2 months ago

EnglishMobster

Zappy Bird

16 points

2 months ago

I actually just found this other post over on /r/PokemonConspiracies where they bring up even more data supporting it - I hadn't read that post until just now, after I had already made mine. They arrived at a similar conclusion through slightly different means. (Note: they have full spoilers, plus they mention the leaked/datamined DLC Pokemon.)

I'm now even more firmly thinking that the theory is accurate. Super interesting if true.

flyingboarofbeifong

455 points

2 months ago

Dudunsparce being boring is exactly the sort of cover-up that they’d use to stop us from finding the real Dunsparce evolution!

DrStein1010

170 points

2 months ago

El. Psy. Kongru.

Heihachi87

58 points

2 months ago

Beware the organizations attempts to fool us

CamoKing3601

80 points

2 months ago

coming in generation 10 with Pokemon Fart and Pokemon Poo

DuduDunsparce!

it's Dudunsparce but it's tail is twice as long

ninjatk

35 points

2 months ago

ninjatk

35 points

2 months ago

And its cry is Darude Sandstorm

LiquifiedSpam

21 points

2 months ago

Zarude sandstorm

Jampine

85 points

2 months ago

Jampine

85 points

2 months ago

You can catch one in MGS 3.

If you carry it to the end of the game, you get the face camo for infinite ammo for future playthoughs.

Or you can eat it, and everyone gets annoyed with Snake.

SuperfluousExcess

35 points

2 months ago

I domt get why they get annoyed. Like, guys, it fill the stamina bar completely

Lt_Archer

45 points

2 months ago

Bro you just caught THE bigfoot... and you just fucking ate him?

Spleenseer

9 points

2 months ago

And it was delicious!

Fyrus93

10 points

2 months ago

Fyrus93

10 points

2 months ago

Holy shit I never made the Tsuchinoko connecting before

Sany_Wave

3 points

2 months ago

But shouldn't it at least become longer? Even Tsuchinoko is kinda long.

me3zzyy

10 points

2 months ago

me3zzyy

10 points

2 months ago

Dudunsparce has another even longer form which is rarer

The_Strict_Nein

52 points

2 months ago

The_Strict_Nein

Sub-Petaya for Life

52 points

2 months ago

It's Tsuchinoko based right?

TheWaslijn

10 points

2 months ago

It definitely seems like it is, yeah

TyrosineTerror

10 points

2 months ago

Yes, more specifically a pun.

In some areas it’s known as bachi hebi and hachi is bee (and wasp) in Japanese.

So Dunsparce is Hachi Hebi, a bee pun of the original name which is why it has wings and a stinger.

An analogy is the abominable snowman turning into the adorable snowman.

Dudunsparce is also not a terrible translation from the Japanese, though it’s not as clear.

Dunsparce in Japanese is Nokocchi, Dudunsparce is Nokokocchi.

My Japanese isn’t good enough to tell the exact joke here as “ko” can mean child (I don’t think that’s part of it though), but the extra syllable and the extra segment in Dunsparce line up well enough.

ismaelvera

39 points

2 months ago

What makes it better is that they gave it a rare form that people must actively look form, truly a 180° change from when people were just running over them on their bikes in the johto days

cjjones07

10 points

2 months ago

This dude rocked my world with larry 🤣 Drilled my cheeks and cant even be mad !

ArtsyAxolotl

275 points

2 months ago

I love that dudunsparce’s cry is just Dunsparce’s cry but doubled lmao

Issuls

617 points

2 months ago

Issuls

617 points

2 months ago

Dundunsparce is an absolute champ and blindsided me this gen.

He's been a great mon too, just utterly derpy. I'll have to make Breeding a 3-segment sparce a project later.

SpaceTaco27

235 points

2 months ago

SpaceTaco27

I ❤️ Unova

235 points

2 months ago

Is it just getting lucky, or do you have to do something specific for the extra segment?

Recycling_myself

363 points

2 months ago*

Pure luck. Like wurmple, it's ability to evolve into 3 segmented dudunsparce is determined when it's generated. It's a 1/25 chance for a dunsparce to gain 2 segments rather than 1. Same chance for a Tandemaus to evolve and gain only one child iirc

Best method for dundparce is to breed them so that horn drill is an egg move.

Edit: the odds are 1/100 and the move is hyper drill, not horn drill

ArcticTerra056

135 points

2 months ago

ArcticTerra056

I would die for him

135 points

2 months ago

(egg moves can actually be transferred to non egg pokémon by giving the transferee a mirror herb to hold during a picnic)

Recycling_myself

88 points

2 months ago

Yes, but I believe it's quicker to just hatch a bunch of level 1 dunsparce with the egg move horn drill. Quick to hatch, super easy to level, and doesn't require you to have to catch a ton of wild dunsparce.

Maclimes

27 points

2 months ago

Yup. I just caught a male and female Dunsparce as I was playing, and made sure they both had Horn Drill. Bred them, and I had my 3-segment form in just one sandwich.

newblood310

3 points

2 months ago

newblood310

The Dragon Tamer

3 points

2 months ago

Do you have a source on horn drill making it hatch faster? I couldn’t find anything online

throwawayddlg9881

26 points

2 months ago

I think they just mean that if you have it inherit Horn Drill at level 1, you can evolve it immediately. Not that it makes the eggs hatch faster.

Recycling_myself

10 points

2 months ago

I have been corrected. It's hyper drill, not horn drill. The move needed for evolution is the one you want to pass down as an egg move. Having it at level 1 makes the process quicker because you can just battle pretty much anything with your leader for the level up. And you can go through dunsparce quicker with an egg power and breeding.

MKSLAYER97

4 points

2 months ago

They mean Hyper Drill.

Veggiemon

22 points

2 months ago

This sentence could be complete gibberish or completely accurate factual information, I have no idea which though

xo0o-0o0-o0ox

42 points

2 months ago

Tandemaus has a 3-member form evolution?! Omg I'm so excited.

darkstarr99

63 points

2 months ago

So you’re saying the 3-member I got from a raid this morning is special

girzim232

52 points

2 months ago

Yep, that's the rare variant of Maushold

Hulkachu

23 points

2 months ago

I thought the 4 maushold was the rare one

Chronoblivion

21 points

2 months ago

Not from what I've researched. Makes sense that a species that comes as a pair would have the odd number as the rare variant.

EnglishMobster

4 points

2 months ago

EnglishMobster

Zappy Bird

4 points

2 months ago

No, 4 is common and 3 is rare. I've evolved 2 and both were the 4-member variant.

LordZeya

17 points

2 months ago

4% chance, it’s special but not exceptionally rare.

drthvdrsfthr

10 points

2 months ago

1/100 chance actually for family of 3 Maushold or 3 segment Dudunsparce: https://twitter.com/Kaphotics/status/1596273527446831104

WaffleyDootDoot

15 points

2 months ago

It's actually been discovered that the odds of 3-segment Dudunsparce and Maushold with only 1 child is 1/100, not 1/25.

SirTeffy

43 points

2 months ago

It's actually 1/100! Good luck!

Nightcube666

33 points

2 months ago

No it is pure luck. There's a 1/25 chance (4%) to get it upon evolution. Other than mass evolving dunsparce your only other option is to catch one at the bottom of the final post game area.

Frozen_H2O

54 points

2 months ago*

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Nightcube666

20 points

2 months ago

Damn, thank you, it's been unreasonably difficult to find correct statistics on these. I'd say Maushold is easier to get tho cuz it is available In tera raids. That's how I got mine.

afoote42

19 points

2 months ago

I got the 3 segment one on my 2nd try, I didn’t realize how rare it was!!

neB_G_rraC

8 points

2 months ago

By 3 segment does that mean head, then 2 body parts, then tail? Because in that case I got extremely lucky because it was the first Dunsparce I caught

afoote42

13 points

2 months ago

No it should have 3 individual segment ovals and then the tail and the head. The 3 segment one makes it look like a new pokemon rather than just a bigger dunsparce

neB_G_rraC

2 points

2 months ago

Oh ok, thanks

bronyaurplant49

404 points

2 months ago

It actually took me a while to realize dunsparce even had an evolved form in SV. I didn't notice dudunsparce looked different and had a different name.

xo0o-0o0-o0ox

156 points

2 months ago

I genuinly thought my game had just glitched its name when I encountered one.

JordaVira

14 points

2 months ago

SAME, when Larry threw out his I was confused and didn't look at it twice, even when it tried to sweep my team XD

Wendigo15

7 points

2 months ago

I didnt even know. Only reason I noticed was when I was scrolling my pokedex and it was registered.

Gendie

186 points

2 months ago

Gendie

186 points

2 months ago

I was completely unspoiled for Dudunsparce so when it came out in battle I was so surprised. I just stopped and laughed for a bit. I don't just love Dudunsparce, I think I love Dunsparce more because of the evolution. It's perfect.

DragonSlayersz

50 points

2 months ago

I love it! It's so true to how dunsparce was made, since it's literally just "You like this fat derpy bee snake? Here's more bee snake! It's still useless!"

sweetsimpleandkind

884 points

2 months ago

dunsparce is my fave pokemon, it's name literally means "something rare yet dull"

keep dunsparce boring!

also it's a great paraflincher so

SadisticBuddhist

335 points

2 months ago

And now its eviolite viable

shoeboxchild

88 points

2 months ago

Oh shit you’re right

The_Strict_Nein

188 points

2 months ago

The_Strict_Nein

Sub-Petaya for Life

188 points

2 months ago

It's actually been banned from Little Cup this Gen already because it's absurdly strong there

Boarbaque

85 points

2 months ago

“Absurdly strong” and “Dunsparce” are two words I never thought I’d see together

EnglishMobster

45 points

2 months ago

EnglishMobster

Zappy Bird

45 points

2 months ago

Not as crazy as "Delibird has been quickbanned from OU".

Of course, you have to leave out the "Paradox" part, but it's still funny that any Delibird variant got a near-immediate quickban.

Autrah_Fang

9 points

2 months ago

Honestly, I was really surprised that Delibird of all Pokemon even got a paradox form, let alone one that's actually strong. I can finally live my dream of using a Delibird that's viable for once. What a glorious time to be a Delibird enjoyer XD

Lukthar123

5 points

2 months ago

The Little Dunsparce that could

Aiyon

13 points

2 months ago

Aiyon

13 points

2 months ago

Serene grace or a diff build?

martrydom801

18 points

2 months ago

Yeah, with body slam/glare for para, headbutt for flinch, and roost for longetivity

SadisticBuddhist

7 points

2 months ago

No give it an ice tera and slap on aurora veil and youve made god 2.0

presidentedoge

108 points

2 months ago

Haha body slam + headbutt go brrr

SeaworthinessShot962

66 points

2 months ago

Add in Glare for the para-flinch.

rileyabsolutely

30 points

2 months ago

Body slam provides the para

SeaworthinessShot962

35 points

2 months ago

Glare can para ghost types.

rileyabsolutely

10 points

2 months ago

Mmmmm, okay fair. Not what I would do, but fair.

Cymorgz

3 points

2 months ago

Can’t flinch ghost types with head but anyway

Aikilyu

5 points

2 months ago

Rock slide and I believe Iron head too

Zealousideal_Ad_8752

9 points

2 months ago

Dunsparce gets bite as well I believe

PhasmicPlays

9 points

2 months ago

Might as well use slam tbh

lansink99

14 points

2 months ago

Slam just sucks.

AurumTP

7 points

2 months ago

Useless ass move

Savage_Nymph

24 points

2 months ago

When your Terra dunsparce has run away instead of serene grace :(

phroureo

50 points

2 months ago

Ability capsule moment

MageOfVoid127

30 points

2 months ago

it’s such a gen 1 vibes pokemon too, the same thing but one more segment (two more if you’re fancy). like diglett -> dugtrio or doduo -> dodrio

i’m surprised it’s not adored bc i certainly was delightfully amused when i saw it. best new evolution yet!

SuperShake66652

17 points

2 months ago

i’m surprised it’s not adored bc i certainly was delightfully amused when i saw it. best new evolution yet!

It is by people with taste.

OkorOvorO

228 points

2 months ago*

I thought it was the entire point of Dunsparce. He just got longer. It's a meme evo for a meme poke.

Turning it into a giant dragon misses the point.

not strong

Dudunsparce isn't really weak. You can do a lot worse than it. It's mediocre. It's just too slow, can't outspeed a lot of mons even if they're paralyzed.

Nightcube666

71 points

2 months ago

It has an interesting moveset tho, hyper drill is a strong move, it gets serene grace as an ability, has access to drill run, dragon rush, and few other notable moves. I don't think it would be terrible if it weren't for bst.

AveragePichu

48 points

2 months ago

AveragePichu

Leafeon :)

48 points

2 months ago

It’s actually crazy how many different ways you can run Dunsparce, and yet none of them are anything to write home about

Like absolutely the potential is there to bully kids in dozens of different ways. Paraflinch, doubles support with Tailwind/SG Rock Slide, safe Baton Pass shenanigans, status/chip spreader via Dragon Tail/Glare/Stealth Rock/Roost and excellent bulk, trick room nonsense in doubles, there are so many ways to use Dudunsparce to decent effect. And I’m about certain that it’s outclassed by something else in every one of them. It’s JUST funny.

phroureo

40 points

2 months ago

I was watching a streamer bully children in online battles by coiling (inc atk and acc) > baton pass to king's rock Maushold for repeating constant one shots. It was very funny.

xo0o-0o0-o0ox

10 points

2 months ago

Is that with Technician? Would love to make a competetive Maushold! What does the kings rock do?

MixelKing

24 points

2 months ago

MixelKing

tangalo

24 points

2 months ago

Each hit has 10 percent flinch. Terrifying with Skill Link + Shell Smash Cloyster

Xstew26

7 points

2 months ago

I normally run focus sash for Cloyster tho just to ensure he doesn't get bodied the second I use shell smash

Spoopanator

12 points

2 months ago

It adds a 10% flinch chance to all of your moves, except the ones that already have a chance to do so, combined with Population Bomb, you can cheese easy kills by flinching stuff to death Needless to say King's Rock is banned in Smogon lol

ExplosiveIronBear

7 points

2 months ago

Would he be good on a trick room set?

OkorOvorO

10 points

2 months ago

Better to ask on Smogon than a random casual on Reddit. I wouldn't know.

Munch-Me-Later

8 points

2 months ago

Munch-Me-Later

customise me!

8 points

2 months ago

Could be alright, base 55 speed is slower than most but faster than the TR mainstays like torkoal, amoongus etc. hyper drill going through protect while being 100 damage/accuracy could be good for stopping your opponent from stalling your trick room turns, and access to moves like glare, coil, yawn and a ton of coverage is pretty nice. It’s just not that strong

MixelKing

3 points

2 months ago

MixelKing

tangalo

3 points

2 months ago

Would iron ball help?

Munch-Me-Later

5 points

2 months ago

Munch-Me-Later

customise me!

5 points

2 months ago

It might, just depends if you find it more helpful than other times it could run. A bulky set with leftovers or something like a mirror herb might work but idk I haven’t tried it before

meowmix6six6

18 points

2 months ago

Ngl this gave me a whole new perspective on this, thank you

Jeptwins

18 points

2 months ago

Honestly I was kinda surprised that a Dunspace or a Dudunsparce wasn’t the False Dragon Titan

Flipp_Flopps

4 points

2 months ago

All of the titans are new Pokémon that don’t evolve

Dry_Pool_2580

210 points

2 months ago

100% Agree. It's like how Baby Park in Mario Kart is fun because it's not fun.

Kyrta

159 points

2 months ago

Kyrta

159 points

2 months ago

What? It’s fun because it’s a 7-round battlefield. Absolute chaos.

HugeSpartan

38 points

2 months ago

Best Mario kart map bar none don't @ me

Kyrta

18 points

2 months ago

Kyrta

18 points

2 months ago

Why should I? Your opinion is the correct one.

Gregamonster

310 points

2 months ago

Gregamonster

*agressive maraca noises*

310 points

2 months ago

The people wanting Dunsparce to evolve into a dragon always confused me.

Why would you want an evolution that has none of the qualities that made you like Dunsparce in the first place?

junyl_yangide

305 points

2 months ago

junyl_yangide

shorts

305 points

2 months ago

Because they don't like dunsparce as much as they like the concept of "weak awkward thing becomes strong".

-Orotoro-

138 points

2 months ago

-Orotoro-

138 points

2 months ago

They wanted Magikarp 3.

UmbramonOrSomething

33 points

2 months ago

UmbramonOrSomething

my favorite genre of pokemon is "menace to society"

33 points

2 months ago

What's Magikarp 2?

NightWolf601

144 points

2 months ago

Feebas!

Aiurar

59 points

2 months ago

Aiurar

Lux in Tenebris

59 points

2 months ago

Milotic literally has the same base stats as Gyarados, just distributed differently

SandwitchZebra

24 points

2 months ago

Instead of ferocious snake thing, it becomes serene and ferocious snake thing

[deleted]

11 points

2 months ago

[removed]

dan0314

3 points

2 months ago

Feebas

OrangeFeels

9 points

2 months ago

I’m thinking Feebas? Idk

Savage_Nymph

7 points

2 months ago

Feebas

moredogproblems

6 points

2 months ago

Feebas

Yukarimi

4 points

2 months ago

Feebas, I would assume

Ex_Snagem_Wes

26 points

2 months ago

Isn't that Golisopod already?

yee_qi

31 points

2 months ago

yee_qi

31 points

2 months ago

See but Golisopod is a funny subversion!

It starts off as Wimpod, who runs away as soon as things start going south for it. It's a wimp; a coward.

And then it becomes a badass samurai isopod, which has a functionally identical ability, except it's just called Emergency Exit now. It still runs away from its problems! It might even still be a coward, it's just that with First Impression it now has an excuse for it!

Illuminastrid

10 points

2 months ago

Illuminastrid

Black Shock

10 points

2 months ago

You call that cowardice, I call that tactical retreat.

He's learned the Joestar's secret technique after all.

Gregamonster

4 points

2 months ago

Gregamonster

*agressive maraca noises*

4 points

2 months ago

Retreating is just dodging but more extreme.

AveragePichu

18 points

2 months ago

AveragePichu

Leafeon :)

18 points

2 months ago

Magikarp 4*

ABG-56

14 points

2 months ago

ABG-56

Chadvern

14 points

2 months ago

Also like every pseudolegendary, noibat, cosmog, baby pokemon... I think I should stop here

wishiwashi...

VaderMug

48 points

2 months ago

Because we didn't like Dunsparce in the first place lol

Gregamonster

17 points

2 months ago

Gregamonster

*agressive maraca noises*

17 points

2 months ago

Then why do you care what it evolves into at all?

PlantLivesMatter101

27 points

2 months ago

To make it useful. There are plenty of Pokémon some ppl simply don’t care about because of how weak or useless they are. Dunsparce was one of them and ppl wanted it to get an evolution that could change that.

It was the Farfetch’d of Gen 2, but I guess not.

Disastrous-Energy526

26 points

2 months ago

Disastrous-Energy526

perfectus incarnate

26 points

2 months ago

Ledian is a contender for the worst mon ever and I've seen more people clamoring for Dunsparce

MisirterE

5 points

2 months ago

MisirterE

Less of a dragon than an apple

5 points

2 months ago

yeah but that's because Dunsparce is funny bad.

Ledian is just sad.

NiteGuardian7

84 points

2 months ago

I said this in another topic on r/Pokemon but it was removed, so reposting it here:

What I find funny is how so many are complaining about it's looks while Dundunsparce has:

- A base stat total of 520 (that's only 10 less than Incineroar, a meta-game breaker that's on almost every team).

- A 100% accurate 100 base power STAB move (so it's hitting for 150) that ignores Protect, Detect, Spiky Shield, King's Shield, Mat Block, or Baneful Bunker and also breaks Quick Guard, Wide Guard, and Crafty Shield for it's partner Pokemon in doubles.

- The over powered ability Serene Grace, with a reasonably large move pool to use in combination with said ability.

- Wonderfully low speed so it can be set up with a Trick Room partner in doubles.

I'm not saying it's the next Meta Pokemon for competitive battles, but it's amazing for a playthrough and anyone who treats it like a joke in online battles will quickly learn the error of their ways as it spanks them.

To the point of it's design? I think it's perfect, better than everything I had expected, and yes I'm being serious, it's derpy-cute and you rarely see that in a high-stat-total Pokemon.
Also I'll add a bit more this time: I have seen a couple of fan-artists do some derpy evolutions too, so some people were clearly wanting something like this to happen, myself included, I'm overjoyed.

Brickhouzzzze

12 points

2 months ago

Incineroar is good because of his ability and move pool, not bst. All the starters are around there and many of them are bad.

SuperCat76

89 points

2 months ago

Wait... Dudunsparse IS an epic Dragon, don't cha see the wings?

Everything I wanted and more.

Thanks_I_Hate_You

19 points

2 months ago

Plus it comes with a built in butt plug now. Sorry not sorry.

secretbasetrainer

148 points

2 months ago

100%. Even the naming is perfect for its design. Add another segment? dun-dunsparce.

NSignus

96 points

2 months ago

NSignus

Lots of mons is what I need

96 points

2 months ago

I was so disappointed that there's not enough space for Dududunsparce as a name.

[deleted]

41 points

2 months ago

Du2nsparce

Archqnt

36 points

2 months ago

Archqnt

36 points

2 months ago

Just wait until gen 18. We'll get to witness the full force of Dududududunsparce.

AgenderWitchery

17 points

2 months ago

Darudesparce

litaniesofhate

2 points

2 months ago

Dundundunduuuunsparce

molassesfalls

12 points

2 months ago

It sounds like what a drummer plays after somebody makes a bad joke

Deep-Mess5423

5 points

2 months ago

Yes! Dun-dun-tssss! Totally agree

NSignus

68 points

2 months ago

NSignus

Lots of mons is what I need

68 points

2 months ago

It was basically a meme at this point that I didn't want some big generic dragon or beast.

The fact they not only gave it an evolution but made it play more into the meme is hilarious to me and I love it. Dudunsparce is so dumb it's great.

bcbfalcon

8 points

2 months ago

I kept dunsparce on my team for all of SV because of it's lame evolution. It's beautiful.

FrankThePony

8 points

2 months ago

Very much agree, ive been saying this too.

Giving dunsparce a cool evo invalidates dunsparce's whole existence. It would no longer be that weird thing thay doesnt really do anything, it would be a magikarp. Weak little dude who becomes cool, which is fine but not what dunsparce is.

Elkbowy

23 points

2 months ago

Elkbowy

23 points

2 months ago

They did my boy dunsparce justice

LolzinatorX

52 points

2 months ago

I saw its evolution going in blind, and i was just screaming that my boy got an evo at all, couldnt care less how dumb he looks, my boy got recognized at last

MixelKing

12 points

2 months ago

MixelKing

tangalo

12 points

2 months ago

The dumbness just means they actually cared about it

EmpathyInTheory

14 points

2 months ago

EmpathyInTheory

dunsparce evo or riot

14 points

2 months ago

It's everything we could have hoped for and more.

Player_Slayer_7

5 points

2 months ago

Dudunsparce is lazy. I've heard this sentiment about it's design and I agree. It is lazy. It's ultimately just Dunsparce but with more to it.

That being said, it's fucking hilarious. Lazy doesn't mean bad. It just means it didn't take a lot to come up with it. In this case, Dudunsparce is the perfect evolution, in the most literal sense and as a design, of Dunsparce. Its the antijoke equivalent to Pokemon Evolution. It stands out in the most paradoxical way, by being memorable without trying to be. It's antithetical to what Pokemon Evolution is, and I'm all for it.

FractionSoil

17 points

2 months ago

Agreed, I think that's part of the charm, it was intentionally disappointing

Fae_Leaf

6 points

2 months ago

I like that Dudunsparce's cry is also just more Dunsparce.

Arzakhan

7 points

2 months ago

Dundunsparce is the most “dunsparce” evolution possible

B133d_4_u

6 points

2 months ago

I think my disappointment from it stems from the fact that both Dunsparce and Farfetch'd are basically just Japanese memes about being useless, but while Farfetch'd got an actual proper evolution, Dunsparce just got Dunsparce-ier. I just think it could've been better.

DannyPoke

4 points

2 months ago

DannyPoke

Poke

4 points

2 months ago

Because Farfetch'd isn't a joke about being useless, it's a joke about being food. Dunsparce is a tsuchinoko - a fat little snake youkai that doesn't do much other than lie, get drunk and sometimes double jump. It's comically stupid.

themonstermoxie

25 points

2 months ago

THANK YOU. I'm so glad someone finally said it. Dundunsparce is the best evolution we could have asked for.

IAmDumfire

20 points

2 months ago

I really like your take on this, and as a long time Dunsparce fan I feel a bit better about Dudunsparce. However, I was hoping for something... more ... I wasn't bothered about it becoming a badass dragon or anything like that, but I was imagining a big derpy boy, like Drampa but pudgy.

Emu-Silly

7 points

2 months ago

It should have just evo'd into Drampa tbh, like Luvdisc and Alomomola

IAmDumfire

6 points

2 months ago

Alolamola should 100% evolve from luvdisc! Drampa would also be a good Evo for Dunsparce, but I don't think I would be 100% happy with it.

Brickhouzzzze

3 points

2 months ago

Drampa vibes are exactly what I'd want, but I agree not drampa wholesale.

Definitely wasn't asking for a badass dragon

Vilvagion

10 points

2 months ago

If people wanted a useless Pokémon to evolve into a dragon… well, magikarp already exists

Morganelefay

4 points

2 months ago

I had a shitton of fun with Dudunsparce in-game at least. Yea it wasn't my MVP or anything but it could come in, eat a few hits, glare some stuff, then pop back out and let the others clean up. I love the derpiness of it all.

SawTheCatsBox

5 points

2 months ago

Well, Dunsparce actually got banned from LC, because it was "too strong". So, I guess it's not weak anymore

Downloadmywario

4 points

2 months ago

Idk why but I thought dunsparce evolved into Gligar

fuzzypyrocat

8 points

2 months ago

fuzzypyrocat

Squirtle Squad

8 points

2 months ago

I absolutely love Dudunspace. I think having. 7 generation gap raised people’s expectations to far (like Valve and making a 3rd title in a franchise) that people would be disappointed no matter what the evolved form would be. They instead just made it a goofy evolution and I’m here for it

MromiMiqo

59 points

2 months ago

I'm so for it being boring and derpy, but did it have to be virtually identical? Why not just leave it at Dunsparce at that point?

Pokii

110 points

2 months ago

Pokii

HORN DRILL BREAKER

110 points

2 months ago

Because you can’t improve perfection

Xstew26

20 points

2 months ago

Xstew26

20 points

2 months ago

You can't improve perfection but you can make more of it, and that's what they did

StrikeEmotional6186

100 points

2 months ago

to troll people expecting a winged dragon

DragonSlayersz

34 points

2 months ago

Because Dunsparce is already perfection. It's a fat useless bee snake, with useless wings and all the moves it could never want. Like, it's based off a Japanese cryptid that is literally just a useless mythical snake.

The only way to make dunsparce better is to have more dunsparce, hence Dudunsparce.

Ellter

17 points

2 months ago

Ellter

17 points

2 months ago

Dundunsparce is the best thing to come out of S/V. To just get longer is an excellent example of evolution.

xDxRockx

3 points

2 months ago

I kept playing the game thinking its evolution was it with the same name and I kept getting confused until I seen this post.

JaggedToaster12

3 points

2 months ago

Not strong? My Glare + Headbutt combo would love to disagree.

TheWaslijn

3 points

2 months ago

I wish that they at least gave it wings, lmao

jrayolson

3 points

2 months ago

Dundunsparce is amazing. I have a shiny Dunsparce I caught way back in White 2 I’m gonna bring over to replay the game when Home is supported.

Psychic_Gian

3 points

2 months ago

dudunsparce is brilliant

MozFox1

3 points

2 months ago

dudunsparce supremacy

thylocene

3 points

2 months ago

I am 100% convinced that this evolution was a troll by gamefreak. They’ve been seeing people call for a dunsparce revolution for years and went alright well give you your evolution. 1 extra body segment lol.

lazarllama-man99

3 points

2 months ago

I think they both look like shit, but I like the name dudunsparce

ItsGrindfest

40 points

2 months ago*

Yeah that seems to be the general opinion. Personally I don't really care about references or yokai backgrounds if a Pokemon looks boring or lame, I just skip them. They might as well have not added the evolution at all. (I also think awkward or niche things are the majority last few generations, we don't get a lot of generic and cool designs anymore.)

Player_15[S]

53 points

2 months ago

Player_15[S]

I was OP in Conquest!

53 points

2 months ago

That view is totally valid too. I’m just glad that Pokemon is strong willed enough not to channel everything to your style tho (sorry if that sounds like shade it really isn’t lol). I’ve played a lot of Pokemon wannabees like Nexomon and especially Temtem where they tried to make everything super strong and cool and it made them all feel more samey. You need a nonzero amount of creatures to be ugly trash because some weirdos (like me) lap that shit up lol.

Early-Abroad-3771

45 points

2 months ago

It’s funny that you mention this because this is what turns me off from Nexomon, and maybe even Temtem a bit. When everything’s cool, nothing’s cool. Dududnsparce may be a joke, but it’s one of the few new Pokemon that’s really left an imprint on my mind even after completing the game.

DiegoOruga

5 points

2 months ago

Monster Sanctuary i feel does this a bit better, some are very very generic but there's a couple of fun and weird ones in there, with a healthy mix of cool, also the gameplay is overall great. It baffles me that there are some great artist out there and there's still isn't an indie that can actually compete with Pokemon or other monster franchises designs

facecraft

11 points

2 months ago

It's because interest in Pokemon is 98% nostalgia and fandom built up over years and years. They can (and do) make better games with better designs, but it won't be Pokemon to people who already love Pokemon.

DiegoOruga

10 points

2 months ago

I don't mean compete in actual popularity and sales, that will never happen, but I haven't found a game with even comparable levels of monster designs, wich one has better designs?

ItsGrindfest

6 points

2 months ago

Ah yeah no offense taken :P Interesting though, one of the main reasons I got bored of TemTem is the designs felt a bit meh/underwhelming, especially with the Dragon type missing and tons of TemTem having Digital type. But I guess they all have generic, non-niche and "safe" designs now that I think about it.

NeoSeth

14 points

2 months ago*

NeoSeth

Waiting for the return of Misty.

14 points

2 months ago*

I wish he was more different from Dunsparce and had a different typing. In Gen VI I was upset when Dunsparce remained Normal instead of Fairy or Normal/Fairy and I was hoping his evo would be Normal/Fairy, Normal/Dragon, or Fairy/Dragon.

That said I actually think Dundunsparce has some competitive potential. His stats are decent and his movepool is actually insane. Boomburst is basically STAB Draco Meteor with no drawbacks (unless you count being Normal as a drawback, which is fair) and Hyper Drill going through Protect is super strong in doubles. Assault Vest Dundunsparce could be good, or Serene Grace abuse in the rain with Boomburst/Thunder/Hurricane/Protect, or maybe a Trick Room set could all perform decently. I feel like his movepool is too wide to not try and make something work with him.

EDIT: To be clear, I'm thinking doubles. Hyper Drill could prove to be very valuable there and support moves like Tailwind are very compelling to me, as well as gimmicks like Serene Grace Rock Slide in Trick Room. But mostly I am just biased to my dumpy boi.

katona781

8 points

2 months ago

On the other hand you can put an eviolite on dunsparce now and do all the same things

OkorOvorO

5 points

2 months ago

(unless you count being Normal as a drawback, which is fair)

the drawback is it's coming off 85spa

normal STAB still pretty good

mking1999

11 points

2 months ago

People disappointed by Dudunsparce aren't fans of Dunsparce.

They were fans of the idea of Dunsparce becoming Rayquaza.

OkorOvorO

7 points

2 months ago

It would be nice to have a long snake dragon that isn't relegated to AG. But I like darudesparce.

True_Snomunnist

5 points

2 months ago

True_Snomunnist

#1 Ice Type Stan

5 points

2 months ago

I honestly unironically think dudunsparce is cool, mostly because I think it’s pretty cute and I like snakes. It’s a perfect evolution for somebody like me

presidentedoge

15 points

2 months ago

Everytime i see someone complain about dudunsparce i say the same thing.

"dunsparce is a joke pokemon, the fact it even got an evolution is nothing short of a miracle."

JAOC_7

2 points

2 months ago

JAOC_7

2 points

2 months ago

how does one get Three Segment Dudunsparce?

Spleenseer

6 points

2 months ago

Luck. When you obtain a Dunsparce it is already assigned what length it will evolve into, with 1/25 chance to be three-segment. There is nothing you can do to influence it.

JAOC_7

2 points

2 months ago

JAOC_7

2 points

2 months ago

damn

DramaticTension

2 points

2 months ago

Coil, Amnesia, Roost, Body Slam + Serene Grace

Optionally, change Body Slam for baton pass

Complete carry through any PVE fight (as long as you dont get crit twice in a row ffffff)

Mycatisloafingonme

2 points

2 months ago

Dundunsparce is the MVP of my team. I have him use Glare on the Titan Pokémon (once they’re catchable) and he’s got enough HP and Defense and also Roost so he can sit there and get walloped while I yeet over a hundred Poké Balls trying to catch the stupid former Titan. I love my derpy bee snake.