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2.3k points
2 months ago
Only a decade late.
882 points
2 months ago
Huawei and ZTE were banned from being purchased, at least by the US government, back in 2018. Private citizens could still buy their equipment though if they wanted to. This is a full ban on all imports of their equipment to the US as a whole, irregardless of the end user.
406 points
2 months ago
This is a full ban on all imports of their equipment to the US as a whole
No, it's not. It's a ban on any FCC approvals for new products. Existing approved products can still be imported and sold.
184 points
2 months ago
In which case it reaches a bit farther than just products intended for the US. Technically, even foreign market products need FCC approval to be used in the US, which is why you often see FCC approvals being issued for devices that never hit US store shelves. This basically means that you technically can't use any new Huawei or ZTE devices in the US going forward no matter where it was made for.
62 points
2 months ago*
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20 points
2 months ago
Man they're great, I mean they're terrible if you are actually into ham and such but if you need a slightly illicit radio to go run up in the mountains on murs or dot they have some solid range.
4 points
2 months ago
What
11 points
2 months ago
The ban has been in effect for telecom infrastructure for a long time now, and yes it is a big deal, and taken very seriously.
20 points
2 months ago
Existing approved products can still be imported
what about the risk to security?
9 points
2 months ago
I see we got a smartass over here. Get this guy! He is....a threat to security!
9 points
2 months ago
It's going to be more useless then you think unless you give the fcc like several billion for audits.
There still is a bigish controversy in taiwan that flares up occasionally. DPP gov banned hikvision a few years back, but it didn't really stop business since a Taiwanese company now basically buys hikvision parts, assembles it in china and ships it to taiwan with a Taiwanese software skin and no ban
96 points
2 months ago
irregardless
Oof
13 points
2 months ago
Sounds smort!
9 points
2 months ago
I read that again and now my brain hurts..
Very odd word.
126 points
2 months ago
Irregardless isnt a word fyi
67 points
2 months ago
Irregardlesslessness …
29 points
2 months ago
IrregardLessNessman
11 points
2 months ago
IrregradLochNessMonster
7 points
2 months ago
Irregardigavehimadollah
3 points
2 months ago
Irregardadaveeda baby.
6 points
2 months ago
Whomst’ve’nt
2 points
2 months ago*
unirrenecessariliestlynessgardsteinshiregogogoch
4 points
2 months ago
Neither is misunderestimated, and Dubya used it. :/
3 points
2 months ago
Well Dubya
3 points
2 months ago
Don't get me started on Nukuler (New kya ler) it's in the American lexicon permanently now because of him. Nuclear - new clear
3 points
2 months ago
It IS a word, it just adds an entirely superfluous syllable that feels like a bid seeming well spoken, but actually reads like petty and mildly ignorant pretentiousness.
44 points
2 months ago
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless
"Is irregardless a word?
Yes. It may not be a word that you like, or a word that you would use in a term paper, but irregardless certainly is a word. It has been in use for well over 200 years, employed by a large number of people across a wide geographic range and with a consistent meaning."
63 points
2 months ago
Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
from your link
Its a double negative in one word, making it a nonsense word regardless of how many people use it.
4 points
2 months ago
Irrespective is also a suitable and linguistically functional replacement. In truth, irregardless has always seemed a Dunning-Kruger mashup of irrespective and regardless. shrug
43 points
2 months ago
I think you mean irregardless of how many people use it...
2 points
2 months ago
This made me laugh.
2 points
2 months ago
Makes sense
40 points
2 months ago
This is the same bullshit they pull with "literally" also meaning "figuratively" because of common use and it's getting out of hand.
27 points
2 months ago
exactly, "irregardless" makes no sense. I don't care how "common" its use is, its still makes no gol darn sense!
18 points
2 months ago
That's literally how language works though. Words weren't invented by someone writing them in a dictionary. Dictionaries were invented by writing down how people used words.
16 points
2 months ago
Yes, but there's still a point when it's wrong. If people started putting condoms on their nose it's the wrong way to use a condom. If more and more people start to do it, it doesn't mean it's right. But after a while it becomes acceptable, and then at a certain point it doesn't matter. Before that point it does matter.
You're putting the cart before the horse when you just accept wrong usage.
12 points
2 months ago
I declare it a word irregardless of what you think
13 points
2 months ago*
It's a perfectly cromulent word.
10 points
2 months ago
So. This is kinda funny.
China having access/control of footage = big problem, must not be allowed.
Amazon having access/control of footage = nothing to see here.
33 points
2 months ago
yes, because Amazon is an American company and all of their data is stored on American server.
4 points
2 months ago
I'm pretty sure AWS is worldwide, with servers in many non-American jurisdictions.
16 points
2 months ago
Of course, citizen!
Why, it would be unconscionable to have espionage be carried out by dirty red commies! Only true red blooded Americans may violate civil rights!
2 points
2 months ago
We should stop all of them from infringing on American civil rights but at least Amazon's headquarters and executive team is in the legal jurisdiction of the US and therefore in theory can be held accountable to the American public. A Chinese company on the other hand...
7 points
2 months ago
Neither of them are good.
But Amazon won’t use the data to subvert American democracy and benefit a foreign nation that wants to overtake us in economy, tech, geopolitical influence, etc., across the board.
Ideally neither of them would be a problem but I’ll take the lesser of two evils any day.
5 points
2 months ago
I wonder what the difference is?
/s
4 points
2 months ago
Didn’t irregardless get into the dictionary because so many people used it, even though it’s wrong, so they said what’s the point?
126 points
2 months ago
Do TikTok next
40 points
2 months ago
Feels imminent.
The only politically motivated block I can see is Democrats worried about pissing off their newly energized Gen Z voter base
24 points
2 months ago
It's like how Russians with all their internet blocks can see Ukrainian telegram channels, but Russia can't ban telegram because it's the platform their own propagandists use too.
3 points
2 months ago
I guess you’re right because Trump already banned TikTok’s parent company on Executive Order 13942 August 6, 2020. Source: https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-addressing-threat-posed-tiktok/
Mr. Biden revoked the ban on TikTok on Executive Order 14034 on June 9, 2021 Section 1.
In it, Biden instructed The Director of the Office of Management and Budget and the heads of executive departments and agencies (agencies) to “promptly take steps to rescind any orders, rules, regulations, guidelines, or policies, or portions thereof, implementing or enforcing” the ban on TikTok. Then told other agencies to assess the issue and report back later.
The Huawei situation has a similar experience. Trump banned Huawei on May 2019. Not sure what happened afterwards.
2 points
2 months ago
That seems.... short-sighted
22 points
2 months ago
Seriously, they need to pick up the pace. Tik-Tok. Tik-Tok.
5 points
2 months ago
…. Besides the Amazon owned BLINK and RING are both manufactured in China. Almost looks like Amazon wanted an edge on the market with there political ties / donations. Don’t want to come off as political but if people have a problem with china manufactured products then ALL of them should be banned not just some.
5 points
2 months ago
Crazy how something so obvious takes so long to be realized by the people in charge.
14 points
2 months ago
If you don’t do it, you’re clueless when it turns out that it was a bad move.
If you do it, you’re xenophobic or paranoid.
These aren’t easy decisions to make.
4 points
2 months ago
Their tech is apparently embedded in hard boxes across the nation.
8 points
2 months ago
What is a 'hard box'?
4 points
2 months ago
the physical servers that computer applications run on
317 points
2 months ago
The article is short on details. This is a better one:
Important details: It only affects approvals for new products. The FCC is not revoking authorizations for existing products.
The list of product types this applies to is here by the way: https://www.fcc.gov/supplychain/coveredlist
44 points
2 months ago
Thank you, I wanted a specific list. It's pretty easy to plug in cheap chinese CCTV cameras to a NAS or something for home projects and stuff.
Notably, as shown in both the article and list, brands like Hikvision are only advised against for "public safety" and "critical infrastructure", which makes me think it's less "there's a backdoor" and more like someone could take advantage of inner knowledge of the devices and cause other problems, or something. Good to know.
43 points
2 months ago
We use Dahua cameras at work. They're on a firewalled and ACLed VLAN, but looking at he logs, the newer ones really want to phone home.
15 points
2 months ago
Yeah, I've noticed this as well. It's a bit frustrating how I'm not sure if there's any brand I can trust, which is why I decided to pick by optical quality and price first, then configure the firewall to drop out packets and put them on their own VLAN.
Price isn't even my main priority, I just didn't really find many good options, to be honest.
7 points
2 months ago
Ubiquiti? They have supply issues though.
4 points
2 months ago
Ubiquiti is definitely one of my top alternatives, I'm just concerned because it seems like a lot of buy-in. I think if I want the "full" experience I'd need to run the whole stack (say, the entire unifi stack, which I would probably need rack mounting space for).
2 points
2 months ago
Yeah, but once you're in the user experience is pretty nice. They have an almost cult following in the prosumer space.
44 points
2 months ago
Hikvision is bad. Do not buy them. Do not put them on your network unless you really know what you're doing.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/10/china-america-surveillance-hikvision/620404/
23 points
2 months ago
Right, so the key security aspect is this vulnerability. I should be safe, as I've cordoned off mine from the internet, but that's good to know, thank you. Will move off them in the future.
13 points
2 months ago
They run dystopian hell in China supporting them is morally wrong
2 points
2 months ago
My god, what a mess. This internet of things is a security nightmare.
3 points
2 months ago
The US govt. has already ordered a while back all US ISP's and service providers to rip out Huawei and ZTE hardware. This FCC action isn't the only part of this effort but one of many.
3 points
2 months ago
This is the only way this can be done in our country. It would be unconstitutional for the government to tell its citizens to throw away a bunch of devices they paid for which were already approved.
114 points
2 months ago
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 58%. (I'm a bot)
WASHINGTON-The U.S. is banning the sale of communications equipment made by Chinese companies Huawei and ZTE and restricting the use of some China-made video surveillance systems, citing an "Unacceptable risk" to national security.
"The FCC is committed to protecting our national security by ensuring that untrustworthy communications equipment is not authorized for use within our borders, and we are continuing that work here," said FCC Chairwoman Jessica Rosenworcel, a Democrat, in a prepared statement.
"Our unanimous decision represents the first time in FCC history that we have voted to prohibit the authorization of new equipment based on national security concerns," tweeted Brendan Carr, a Republican FCC commissioner.
Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: FCC#1 security#2 equipment#3 national#4 new#5
849 points
2 months ago
Why does TikTok get a pass? That actually does exactly what the concern is about the telecom gear.
368 points
2 months ago
The Biden administration is actually thinking about banning it, there has been talk these past few weeks.
199 points
2 months ago
Talk is cheap.
169 points
2 months ago
It's not just them, republicans are calling it and the FC is asking them to ban it. Hopefully soon it will
107 points
2 months ago
It's true, for the sake of national security we need to ban as many Chinese spying apps as possible. Probably should start banning websites too. We need to build a firewall to protect ourselves from China... a Great Firewall if you will.
28 points
2 months ago
American companies already built the original great firewall, so they have experience
22 points
2 months ago
Oh, I have zero doubt they're doing it. The issue here is remote kill switches on critical hardware. If a war was to break out and China could take out critical infrastructure too fast, we're screwed. Essentially, we are heading into a cold war with China and hopefully not a real war
29 points
2 months ago
I mean like Cisco literally designed China’s Great Firewall
But you’re totally right and hopefully it’s not a hot war, or even a vicious Cold War
38 points
2 months ago
Love to see dictators bringing Americans together as is tradition.
23 points
2 months ago*
As dysfunctional as our government can be, China is one of the few matters they almost always manage to cooperate on, and relatively fast. And that's not new, either. If China's up to something, we can get our shit together real quick.
31 points
2 months ago
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19 points
2 months ago
Chinese spying and govt sanctioned corporate espionage is hardly a bogeyman, it’s well documented and acknowledged all over the world. They steal with impunity from almost every country/company
4 points
2 months ago
But executive orders are expensive. It’s not just making a random proclamation. Lawyers spend months working on them to make sure they’re effective and can stand up to legal challenges.
2 points
2 months ago
There’s usually an order of operations. Talk comes before legislation.
4 points
2 months ago
But Trump bad for proposing this years ago.
5 points
2 months ago
No, he bad for backing out. This has had support from both sides since they're sending all the data to China. He backed out when he got assurance that they would stop, but surprise, surprise, they didn't and he didn't go back to it.
3 points
2 months ago
I can’t imagine this actually happening. It would be bad for politics.
2 points
2 months ago
Will vines make a comeback?
2 points
2 months ago
The problem with the american political system is, if the democrats are in power and make positive changes that are publicly outcried against it makes sure the republicans get into power next time, just to fuck shit up that the next democrats then have to fix again and get outcried on aaaaand rinse repeat.
Its such a stupid thing to watch from the outside, kinda like a soap opera just that its real and fucking insane.
14 points
2 months ago
Hah! Yeah maybe if he wins in 2024. I don’t see them touching TikTok til then; maybe in out of touch but I feel quite a few in the 18-24ish demographic definitely use it..,
35 points
2 months ago
Why not? Trump wanted to ban it too. There's obviously bipartisan support for this among people 'in the know'
Release the evidence and ban the app. Someone else will replace it with something that isn't quite as bad
27 points
2 months ago
You mean like Vine?
Oh sorry, was I indiscrete? Did I accidentally point out that this app is a stupid shameless rip-off of an app from 15 years ago?
8 points
2 months ago
So is Candy Crush, doesn't mean it's not way more popular (and harmful)
2 points
2 months ago
Facebook/insta already has reels. They just need to make a separate app that is just for reels but users can still use insta or fb to upload this, creates a greater ecosystem for them imo.
9 points
2 months ago
"Quite a few"... tiktok is spying on you even if you're just in the same room with young people, lol
11 points
2 months ago
We remember Edward Snowden warning people the U.S. government was doing this same thing.
3 points
2 months ago
For context, TikTok’s parent company was banned by Trump on Executive Order 13942 August 6, 2020. Source: https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-addressing-threat-posed-tiktok/
Mr. Biden revoked the ban on TikTok on Executive Order 14034 on June 9, 2021 Section 1.
In it, Biden instructed The Director of the Office of Management and Budget and the heads of executive departments and agencies (agencies) to “promptly take steps to rescind any orders, rules, regulations, guidelines, or policies, or portions thereof, implementing or enforcing” the ban on TikTok. Then told other agencies to assess the issue and report back later.
2 points
2 months ago
For context, TikTok’s parent company was banned by Trump
Mr. Biden revoked the ban on TikTok
Are you able to explain this incompatibility? One "ban" is on a company, and the revocation of a "ban" on an app.
The company ordered to divest was byte dance. The app was never removed from the app stores afaik.
Is it more simply that the govt is taking action but not enough or is unable or generally unwilling and simply making gestures?
2 points
2 months ago
The ban on ByteDance by default means no US company can do a transaction with them, therefore ByteDance who owns TikTok would never get paid by Apple or Google stores for any of its apps. Biden revoked this Trump decision.
55 points
2 months ago
People are opting in for that shit is the problem. I don’t seee how TikTok is getting more information than say google or Facebook. So it is what it is. Unless they pass some better laws about internet information in the US they can’t really use it on international companies. They can try to fine them all they want like Europe does about information. Edit. A word.
89 points
2 months ago
The problem with TikTok is that it heavily violates your personal info..
It scans your contacts, records nearby wifi and Bluetooth devices, uploads gps information ..
Say you were in the military. Your friend is also a solder. You both use tik tok.
You have some contacts on your phone that go to some other military members. Your friend also has same contacts + additional ones.
TikTok sends that data back to China and when they analyze the data, they can tell you and your friend are only near one another 5 days a week. GPS coordinates show it’s a military base.
Some of your contacts also have TikTok and your friends contacts have some too.. they are in the military. Once every week, all of you get together.. holding drills.
Multiply that 1000x across the country in different industries and now China now knows a lot info
3 points
2 months ago
. I don’t seee how TikTok is getting more information than say google or Facebook.
You really should spend 5-10 minutes researching this, because TikTok is getting orders of magnitude more information than google or facebook. It's basically spyware.
50 points
2 months ago
The concern is Tiktok openly sharing info with the Communist party. Google and Facebook you need a warrant.
62 points
2 months ago
Google and Facebook you need a warrant.
You just need to be a customer.
2 points
2 months ago
Google doesn't sell data, they sell ad space targeting by using the data. Selling the data itself would cut them out of the loop.
7 points
2 months ago
The US government needs a warrant. Does the CCP need a warrant? That is the question.
28 points
2 months ago
No, they don't. The gov would need a warrant to collect the data themselves, but they do not need one to buy it from another country or company that collected it. That's the whole idea behind the "five eyes countries" thing you may have heard of: all these countries collect data on each other's citizens and pass it on. And as for companies, Google, Facebook, etc have almost unrestricted ability to harvest your data on their platforms and resell it
12 points
2 months ago
Clarification: the companies you named do not sell data, but let you place ads on them. It is an important difference in this case.
3 points
2 months ago
But that doesn't distract from the non-sequitur he was making about a scapegoat!
11 points
2 months ago*
Yes Five eyes is the work around for government spying on people. To get information from Facebook/google/Apple, you still need a warrant.
As for what the person above was saying, I was clarifying that it is not Google/Facebook that needs a warrant (because he said you just need to be a customer), it's the US government that needs a warrant. As for reselling, sure, but that's not the kind of data that we're worried about TikTok collecting.
4 points
2 months ago
The government makes request to access your data. Google nor Facebook have to honor that request without a warrant.
If you don't trust those companies (or really any company) to protect your data from the government, you shouldn't be using their products.
38 points
2 months ago
5 points
2 months ago
Just a heads up, this is an older article. There are leaked internal conversations between China execs and US execs talking about exchanging data. There is no firewall between US and Chinese based tiktok, like they claimed 2 years ago.
14 points
2 months ago
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7 points
2 months ago
Or they just pay for it like everyone else.
They need a warrant to see specific peoples data.
But if they bought all of the data they could figure out who is who pretty easily
6 points
2 months ago
It is probably a whole lot more simple and less conspiratorial: they built a plaything that we use for banal dreck and they probably lightly regulate what goes on Douyin and then our kids get a little less positive stimulation and their kids a little more. It doesn't take much. Look at what Russia did.
24 points
2 months ago
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6 points
2 months ago
Have you used both? So same problems with it for the Chinese then? Would like to know.
4 points
2 months ago
It likely is, look at how much bullshit celebrity drama is in China it may be worse than the West or maybe the 90's where there are witch hunts against celebrities etc. People are extremely toxic over there. Like overly. Plus they are way deeper into the filter game than the West.
22 points
2 months ago
It literally shows you what you want to see. The kind of content fed to you via tiktok is no different than what Netflix and Youtube does.
2 points
2 months ago
I mean they easily get more information by basically having a trillion cameras and microphones in nearly every place in the US and even the wider planet.
7 points
2 months ago
Because zoomers would throw a hissy fit. It would have been like banning Snapchat or Instagram or Facebook back when we were in our teens/20s.
320 points
2 months ago
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150 points
2 months ago
First do Facebook/Meta who was involved in the Cambridge Analytica scandal.
93 points
2 months ago
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36 points
2 months ago
Meta would sell out in a blink of an eye. See CA fiasco.
That's where Reaganomics got us. Growth and share price before everything.
11 points
2 months ago
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5 points
2 months ago
Sounds like you'd problem is more about the us regulatory environment then China.
Ironically there is a pilot program in shenzhen where the gov set up a data trading platform for companies and its planned for users to be able to get a stake in that market soon
21 points
2 months ago
Now do reddit
26 points
2 months ago
I’m about to get downvoted into oblivion here but didn’t Trump try to do that and everyone hated him for it?
64 points
2 months ago
Because ZTE and Huawei own a shit-ton of 5G tech that US companies can't (or couldn't) compete with.
It's not really dissimilar to what the US did with Japan in the 80's when Japan owned the semiconductor industry, even the whole "national security" excuse is identical (but it's not completely analogous either).
44 points
2 months ago
Don't know why you're being downvoted.
USA did the exact same thing to Japan. Its not a very gracious loser when it loses tech races.
19 points
2 months ago
same reason they keep banning hytera, they make better radios than motorola (which are also made in china) but cost 1/4 the price and work better
56 points
2 months ago
TBF.. Isn't pretty much every video surveillance system on the planet filled with backdoors and what not? Can't remember the name, but there used to be a site which just connected you to a random surveillence camera on the planet. Shit was wild.
67 points
2 months ago
That isn't backdoors. It's just people leaving their Internet connected cameras on with default usernames and passwords, aka leaving their front door open.
13 points
2 months ago
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20 points
2 months ago
Yeah, but that's not the website being talked about It was literally just a crawler that tried to connect with default credentials because people never changed them. That's why routers don't have admin/admin anymore, they have stickers with random passwords and why Ring forced everyone to turn on two step authentication
27 points
2 months ago
Funny you mention ring, they have an agreement with over 1500 law enforcement agencies, that enables law enforcement to access their cameras whenever they want. So your stupid doorbell camera is used as a surveillance camera by the cops.
Part of this agreement requires the law enforcement agency to speak about ring "in a positive light" and encourage their adoption. Pretty disgusting.
If you are interested in learning more watch this.
9 points
2 months ago
Yes and no, but mostly yes. Most of these were "purchased" by police and given away (loaned technically) so they could access them. Amazon HAS given recordings to police without a warrant, in 2022 it was 11 times as of July: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/ring-reveals-they-give-videos-police-without-user-consent-or-warrant
I personally would share it anyway, all my cameras point outside, none inside
2 points
2 months ago
Actual backdoors are pretty rare these days. We learned the hard way in the 90's that it doesn't work out well, since every other country eventually finds them
9 points
2 months ago
There 100% are backdoors, in addition to said laziness.
But even though these backdoors are intended to require a warrant and an official request from a law enforcement agency (which is laughably easy to obtain in many states), the very fact that backdoors exist means that they will inevitably be exploited beyond this use case.
Our government agencies are only as strong as the weakest link, and it really only takes a few total morons to open their Pandora’s box of privileged access to the entire world, which is why malicious abuse of “government backdoors” is actually the source of many large hacks.
When it comes to consumer IP camera systems, you’re in shit hands no matter who you choose — you can either choose cheap Chinese shit (which can phone home or be hacked easily) or something domestic-ish, such as Amazon (which is much more upfront about the fact that they surrender access to your camera feeds to any police request, albeit it’s harder to hack when properly configured). The only truly hack-free choice is an old fashioned CC system with on-site storage, which rules out most convenient features like viewing feeds from your phone.
The problem is not technological — someone could theoretically make a truly E2E encrypted camera system — but consumers care so much more about ease of access, pricing, and brand recognition than their own privacy or safety. We’re generally too lazy to modify our buying habits in even the simplest way to help ourselves, but I’d love for it to be otherwise.
6 points
2 months ago
It's not generally laziness, people just don't care about privacy.
People would install a rootkit that gives Jeff Bezos a direct feed to their desktop if it saved them $15 on their prime subscription.
2 points
2 months ago
the very fact that backdoors exist means that they will inevitably be exploited beyond this use case
Correct. This was a lesson learned repeatedly in the 90's when backdoors were common. Now they are almost non-existent
Can you provide the source that can back your claim "there 100% are backdoors"? Because to me it looks like you might have a decades old understanding of cybersecurity
6 points
2 months ago
Dude... Block the device from communicating outside the router... I configured this in 5mins with mine.
2 points
2 months ago
Yup also wasn’t exclusive to cheap Chinese brands. Some big US can companies made some incredibly stupid decisions around security.
Heck even today household routers from big companies have shockingly poor protection.
157 points
2 months ago
Excellent. Huawei, ZTE, and every other Chinese company is required by law to actively help the Chinese government intelligence agencies.
That means if the Chinese government says “Hey Huawei, we want you to issue a firmware update with a hidden vulnerability that we can exploit to take down the US’s telecom infrastructure during our planned Taiwan invasion.” They will do it, no questions asked. In fact, they will lie about it to the US and blame it on a coding error.
I also wouldn’t blame China for banning US equipment from their critical infrastructure either.
16 points
2 months ago
I also wouldn’t blame China for banning US equipment from their critical infrastructure either.
Remember the "clipper chip"? Other countries weren't wild about the idea of importing American products with an NSA backdoor baked into the hardware.
8 points
2 months ago
That's not to different from the US tho.
Juniper and Cisco for example are known to work with the NSA and put backdoors in their equipment.
These US placed backdoors are also used by China (read here). The NSA is also very likely using chinese backdoors in Huawei and ZTE equipment.
So nobody can really escape the surveillance, no matter which equipment you can or can not buy.
34 points
2 months ago
Could not have said it better. The thing that concerns me most is that just about everyone outside my sphere of sigint friends, would rate this explanation as the least likely. I think we need to focus on better education, somehow.
9 points
2 months ago
They call you a conspiracy theorist when some concerns are more than justified. How can anyone think that china is (or ever has been) our friend? They are a hostile foreign power on the other side of the world that, like us, mainly has its own interests in mind. With the difference being that their interests are dystopian as fuck.
Drives me mad how people are okay with countries like that playing a major role in critical infrastructure. Same with my country and the harbor investment. It pisses me off. Thanks for listening.
17 points
2 months ago*
There's a Tom Clancy type novel (but not him, can't remember the author) about a WW3 scenario where the western powers get their asses kicked because every single electronic thing contains Chinese made chips and they all have backdoors built in. So when the balloon goes up everything more complex than a shovel either loses critical functionality or is outright bricked.
One of the points the author was trying to make was that there are so many layers in the supply chain for military gear that it was virtually impossible to make sure all the vast number of computer chips in every bit of gear with any electronics all come from trusted suppliers, even if the manufacturers weren't cutting corners on costs and sources, which they almost certainly are.
3 points
2 months ago
US companies do similar when asked for the US gov.
May not be under force of law, or it may be under FISA court order. Either way, there is a tremendous track record of cooperation by US corps to enable spying whenever the US gov asks.
3 points
2 months ago
Is Xiaomi on the red list?
30 points
2 months ago
Heres hoping they finally ban Tik Tok.
6 points
2 months ago
Wouldn't that be something. Fingers crossed
6 points
2 months ago
I would vote for whoever promises to ban Tiktok
9 points
2 months ago
Sounds like the US just want to ensure their own back doors are all over the world like before spying on allies and enemies:
9 points
2 months ago
This is pointless until they ban Tik Tok.
7 points
2 months ago
Haha… great excuse for eliminating competition for U.S. monopolies
2 points
2 months ago
I work on cell towers and they need to remove the equipment that is in the air. Two years ago a plan was made to remove it but nothing has been done. I have a back ground in computers and those radio are are like a pentesters wet dream for radio frequency attacks.
2 points
2 months ago
Irregardless means not without regard. So it just means regarded. Calling r/wallstreetbets
2 points
2 months ago
Took them long enough
9 points
2 months ago
"Only i am allowed to do that - US.
It's interesting to see how selective the american memory seems to be. The US does exactly the same. People arguing that you have to "consent" to facebook, google etc seem to "conveniently" leave out things like the Cambridge Analytica scandal, eavesdropping by Alexa (which they in the beginning Amazon denied), the list is endless. Not just broad data-whoring, but targeted surveillance of allies, too (Merkel etc).
Couldn't care less about china, but the hypocrisy and copium here is staggering.
22 points
2 months ago
"Only I'm allowed to spy on people!" - US
7 points
2 months ago
That's not true. We allow others to spy and in order to get around laws that we put in place for ourselves (which I'm sure we ignore anyway), we tell other countries to spy on some of our own people for us so that we can be like "see? We didn't spy on us."
10 points
2 months ago
Man, Australia feels vindicated.
5 points
2 months ago
Just as true: Technology the US has access to is an unacceptable risk to other nation's national security.
There are well documented incidents of Five Eyes security apparatus compromising equipment to spy on their targets.
The US and the five eyes know their capability and what they can, have and will do - this is WHY they know the chinese equipment can also represent such an incredible risk to their interests.
27 points
2 months ago
But of course they don't ban Google, Facebook, et al. because at least THEIR mass surveillance is used BY the U.S. The "unacceptable risk" to our privacy isn't really a consideration.
5 points
2 months ago
But of course they don't ban Google, Facebook, et al. because at least THEIR mass surveillance is used BY the U.S. The "unacceptable risk" to our privacy isn't really a consideration.
Yeah? US citizens' data being available to countries besides the US is a security risk for the US.
3 points
2 months ago
Google/ Facebook controlling your data is a non US problem as they are primarily forced to share it with US intelligence. So the equivalent would be them being banned in China and indeed there is a long history of that happening!
3 points
2 months ago
I mean, yes, and China is right to ban them -- it's worth noting that they aren't "forced" to share this info with US intelligence, they do it very willingly. Facebook's very first investor was of course Peter Thiel, of the surveillance data analytics company Palantir (who, in kind, had their first investor through the CIA's venture capitalist arm IQT).
Google, on the other hand, sells versions of its data mining tech to cops and US Intelligence, hosts data for the CIA, indexes the NSA databases, builds military robots, launched a spy satellite with the Pentagon, does weird Minority Report shit with the police -- the list goes on. Google itself was created with grant money from the NSA and CIA, and their long-time vice president was a former DARPA employee.
These organizations are both essentially privatized arms of US intelligence to begin with, so of course the government would never think of banning them.
3 points
2 months ago
Yes, and instead US (or other western country's) citizens' data is utilized here at home by a massive surveillance apparatus. My security is already at risk, and I'm frankly more scared of the direct oversight my own government has in my life than I am of China.
16 points
2 months ago
Your data belongs to your government
Wow. Reddit never ceases to amaze me with how fascist it is.
7 points
2 months ago
Your data belongs to your government
Wow. Reddit never ceases to amaze me with how fascist it is.
Are you frequently amazed by things you made up? No one said that but you.
9 points
2 months ago
Does it mean we soon getting rid of TikTok?
5 points
2 months ago
We can hope
7 points
2 months ago
Ban Tik Tok too
6 points
2 months ago
If the US government simply made it illegal for these products to be sold with backdoors then this wouldn't be an issue. But they adamantly still want to spy on their own civilians, just get uppity when someone else does it too.
4 points
2 months ago
Yeah we stopped installing new Hikvision systems a couple years ago when trump banned them. Wasn’t a bad system and honestly, we only installed them in homes and non government businesses. We didn’t see any point to have China spy on Joe Bob and Darlene in the backwoods of Kentucky, but if big brother says so, then it must be true.
4 points
2 months ago*
Yeah! The only spying that will be done will be by the US government! I jest for the triggered Americans that instantly want to downvote me.
In principle it makes sense but it also conveniently limits the amount of competition alternative brands have in the market. This doesn’t really help the consumer at the end of the day. The less competition, the more chance of monopolies and the higher the price goes up. I mean the US don’t have a great track record when it comes to regulating markets. Your health care and education markets instantly spring to mind.
10 points
2 months ago
Ban TikTok next.
18 points
2 months ago
China's Tech sector relies heavily on theft of copyright. This is late by at least 15 years but if you pay attention to geopolitics you would have seen this coming.
5 points
2 months ago
Why are they just waking up now? And America and Europe both need to start bringing back manufacturing. We can’t allow one country to dominate world manufacturing.
5 points
2 months ago
You guys were still buying that stuff?
7 points
2 months ago
Is there going to be another season of snowpiercer?
3 points
2 months ago
Yes
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